Fire Shelby Thames

Fire Shelby · Fire Shelby

This board will close on Friday, May 28. The AAUP has opened a message board at its website. Go to www.aaup-usm.org and click the link to the AAUP message board. I appreciate the participation of everyone here, and hope that closing this board will cause no inconveniences. T...

Fire Shelby · truth4usm/AH

Fire Shelby: Please email me ASAP (truth@FireThames.com)...I have a very important matter to discuss with you re: the message board. Thanks! Truth

Fire Shelby · foot soldier

Hi FS, In spite of your message, the board is still working! Maybe you are just leaving it here so that the library can finish archiving it? Thanks again for everything. We all sincerely hope you weren't in any way coerced into closing this board.

Fire Shelby · truth4usm/AH

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040527/localnews/516576.html I didn't think that the entire site would be shutting down...just the message board. Is this true, FS?

foot soldier

The other day in the H-A, Robin Robinson stated that she had received about 75 letters since she had been on the IHL board, all in support of Thames. I promptly sat down and sent her the letter I meant to write to her at the end of the semester. I imagine many of you out there have written many letters to the IH...

babbs

Marvin Albin, Associate Professor of Accounting (University of West Florida) Billie Allen, Professor of Management (retirement) David Anderson, VP Facilities/Physical Plant (State of Mississippi) Ann Beardshall, Coordinator Delta Nutrition Project (retirement) David Berry, P...

van dyke

SOUTHERN MISS PUBLIC RELATIONS DEPARTMENT WINS 17 AWARDS AT COLLEGE PUBLIC RELATIONS CONFERENCE HATTIESBURG -- The University of Southern Mississippi's Jenny Watson, Angela Cutrer, Lisa Mader and Valerie Craig won the "Public Relations Innovatio...

truth4usm/AH

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040527/localnews/516565.html Best quote: Thames seemed surprised that some in the university community distrust his administration. "I think I made a statement last week to this group that e-mails are not being monitored," he s... 

truth4usm/AH

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040526/opinion/508659.html Great letter from USM faculty member, Wilbur Moreland.

broker

Had lunch yesterday with a CBED prof/client. He didn't mention anything about the executive MBA program from the other thread. He did describe the place as a wasteland. Said faculty will soon be departing in droves (not good for my business).

truth4usm/AH

Invictus, Do you have any words from Bob Dylan to close out the FS message board? There have been requests, and I'm not up to the task (I provided words from T.S. Eliot on another thread!). Does anyone else have final words from Great Thinkers to add to the thread? Truth

May 27, 2004 · USM Sympathizer

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040527/opinion/516882.html

Zorro

I'm sure that SFT is thrilled that the FS website is coming down Friday. In light of this, it'd be great if we could find someway to keep it going and since Fire Shelby can't maintain it any longer, for whatever reason, what about passing on the responsibilities of "Fire Shelby" to someone else. The only...

PhD for sale

Just heard from a person in the continuing ed college that Hudson's internet PhD isn't even properly approved. Should we rename Southern to 'Tim's degree Mill?"

tvscene

Council members suggest USM panel advise Thames By Janet Braswell Hattiesburg American Members of the President's Council Wednesday proposed a small committee to advise President Shelby Thames on the need for electronic monitoring of faculty, staff or students at the University of Southern...

USM Sympathizer

Friends, I am hoping that the recordings available on the FS site will also be available on the new board. I refer to the initial recording of Professors Glamser and Stringer (and others) speaking to the faculty, as well as the recording of the testimony at the hearing. Both recording...

babbs

Marvin Albin, Associate Professor of Accounting (University of West Florida) Billie Allen, Professor of Management (retirement) David Anderson, VP Facilities/Physical Plant (State of Mississippi) Ann Beardshall, Coordinator Delta Nutrition Project (retirement) David Berry, P...

anti-puker

Middlebrooks told wdam reporter that both sides, the puc members and Thames, are making an honest effort at communicating, and he seems to think puke is working. Dear USM supporters, PUC is doing much more harm than good.

tomcat

http://agecon.unl.edu/royer/tenure.htm

Lanny Mixon

will you please email me: lanny@eagletalk.net

truth4usm/AH

From today's HA: http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040526/southernmissnews/508587.html I haven't even had a chance to read this yet!

Stepchild

Does anyone realize what is happening on the Gulf Coast Campus???? Kenbot is destroying everything. People have been losing jobs, and it is not funny. The Mader Machine has sent out several press releases saying that people will be moved to "other positions" but they are simply...

Otherside

Are there any PUCers out there with a report on today's meeting?

oldiegoldie

If you think the new executive MBA in economic development if unreal, how about their PHD program, which has upwards of 50 enrolled and 2 faculty members!!! The CBED faculty as a whole refused to discuss "upgrading" this program, sending it back to the econ dev faculty for clarification of the goals a...

tomcat

President’s Council Agenda Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:00 p.m., Union Room H ·   Academic Freedom   · Updates 1. ...

Concerned Staff Member

If Mark Dvorak and Jack Hanberry are starting their own law firm, who will they be representing? Southern Miss? Maybe disgruntled faculty members??? (They do have the inside track to most of the sneakiness on campus.)

tvscene

Online editorial board member lacks confidence in College Board EDITORIALS Question: Do you expect the state College Board to provide the leadership that is needed to help improve relations between the administration and faculty at the University of Southern Mississippi? ...

truth4usm/AH

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040526/opinion/508657.html

Cowboy's Sweetheart

The Internet edition of WLOX, dated today (05/26/04) says "If the Veteran's Administration goes through with its plans to close the Gulfport VA, the University of Southern Mississippi wants to lease the hospital. University president, Dr. Shelby Thames, officially notified the VA of his intent...

Otherside

I would love to hear a discussion of the Real Issues. So I imagined what a debate with Roy Klumb would be like. My guess he would make the following points. 1) This state can’t support so many institutions of higher learning (Univ.s and C. Colleges) so institutions must find their own sources of fun...

Wuz Up

Hudson must go there is no question about that. Seems like he has been working Shebby hard so he can keep within the ranks. Looks like he likes the HEAVY PERKS!! Hudson has figured out that there is a FREE LUNCH at the end of the rainbow. He lies to the faculty senate while he enj...

Doug Chambers

Thanks to all who contributed to the many useful and interesting conversations in this electronic town-hall, and especially to FS for making this "building" possible. We (the real USM rather than the faux Southern Miss) are all stronger, better informed, more organized and certainly sane...

Thomas Cooley's Risk Manager

Hello (future former) FS readers: I know these are troubling times. The saga there in Hattiesburg and your State continues, and yesterday you find out that this board goes down in 48 hours or so. Well, I hate to have to add to the list, but I'm afraid I have some sad news to pass along.&nbs...

USM Sympathizer

the name or page of the thread in which many people responded to a challenge (I think it was posed by "Old Timer") to dispute SFT's vision of USM? The thread turned up much useful information from prominent writers such as Derek Bok about what makes a university successful.

LVN

What this board is: This board is like a private home. The owner, Fire Shelby, has decided to hold open house for the neighborhood. The front door is left open. People come and go from the house, laugh, have serious discussions, disagree with one another, and all sorts of...

Quiet-but-Perceptive

Y'all get a grip! What in the h*ll is going on in here tonight? Yes, I too feel sad that the board will be closing; however, lets not fight. We have a short time to get the word out on some issues like: Mader does she stay or go? Why should she enjoy the pay raise? Why shoul...

Quiet-but-Perceptive

Machiavelli: I do admire your passion and attempts to reconcile the perceived attitude of this board. My advice is that you speak your opinions and accept the criticism as you have thus far. I would caution you though. In the past I too attempted to pass on advice that I thought w...

Machiavelli

Your censor, FS, closed my thread alleging that I personally attacked a member. To my knowledge, I was engaging in a respectful discussion with several of you. If I personally attacked you, please let me know, as that was my intent. Methinks FS just disagreed with me, so she closed the...

USM Sympathizer

Does any computer whiz out there know how to download and save (and thus archive) the whole site in one fell swoop? It takes about half an hour to save one page of the message board, message-by-message; there are now 37 pages of messages. If anyone knows how to preserve all this stuf...

tvscene

Evaluating ideas is not 'liberalism' I find it astonishing that A.E. Griffing can equate liberalism with such epithets as "unethical," "immoral" and "irresponsible" ("Professors to blame for liberalism?" May 9). Further, if parents believe that their children are so easily corrupted by exp...

Machiavelli

I cannot let this board go away without a final thought. In fact, I will end with a quote: "You see too much hate. And I'll tell you one thing -- hate will turn on people. . . . When hate gets in politics, it's a very, very dangerous aspect." Chicago Mayor Daley on John Kerry's remarks...

USM Sympathizer

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040526/OPINION/405260311/1009 Amy Young is batting a thousand today!

truth4usm/AH

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040526/COL0412/40526012/1201 I like the term "cigar boys."

Thomas Cooley's Risk Manager

Hooray FS readers!! Judge Cooley has been sitting at the Pine Belt Regional Airport for 10 hours now, waiting for his limo (i.e., me). Here's the story. As you all know, he left from Paris to Hawaii early last week. Well, they made a stop over in Lansing (I didn't know this) on thei...

First Ant at the Picnic

Some observers have accused Stringer and Glamser of "selling out" and benefiting financially from the "settlement." I would like to point out that Professors Stringer and Glamser and their families experienced a two-month pillorying in the press and spent no less than $6,00...

Thomas Cooley's Risk Manager

Hellooo Fighters for TRUTH: I've been working in Lansing (Mayor's Office) all morning. Here's what I have to report. It seems the Mayor's office has received e-mails, letters, phone calls and reports of an interesting letter that many citizens (we know of about 1,200 so far) of Lans...

First

Some observers have accused Stringer and Glamser of "selling out" and benefiting financially from the "settlement." I would like to point out that Professors Stringer and Glamser and their families experienced a two-month pillorying in the press and spent no less than $6,00...

USM Sympathizer

The on-line petition is very close now to having 600 signature (578 at present). This means that in just the past week the number of signatures has nearly doubled. This is very impressive momentum; let's try to keep it going! If you can't sign openly yourself, please urge friends...

MBAgal

Just heard that the economic development department is now offering an executive MBA program. The apparently did an end-run around the usual channels in the CBED and are now offering a program in competition with the usual ones in the CBED. They are already setting up summer courses, e...

Otherside

Hattiesburg American Poll Will the state College Board provide the leadership that is needed to improve relations between the administration and faculty at the University of Southern Mississippi? VOTE NOW

USM Sympathizer

carry over many of the best features of the present site, and perhaps add a few. Some suggestions: * provide links to the opinion pages of the HA, the CL, the Sun-Herald, the Student Printz, and other papers * provide links to the e-mail addresses of the governor, the legislature, local off...

truth4usm/AH

Here is the press release from the IHL regarding their 3 hour meeting with SFT: http://www.ihl.state.ms.us/newsstory.asp?ID=270 Here's the relevant excerpt. Let's break it down, shall we?-- The Board heard from Dr. Thames of his plans to improve communication with university co...

webster

Economic Development department < 1. a collection of individuals trained in English, geography and polymer science offering online/Internet degrees in economics (someone please investigate and report back to Webster with info on what USM’s economists teach); 2. about to get a new $12 milli...

USM Sympathizer

David, I have been away from the board for a few days, so I apologize if you have already answered this question. Do you plan to introduce, at the next meeting of the PUC, your resolution that the PUC turn itself over to representatives from elected campus bodies? I sincerely hope that t...

Anne Wallace

Just a quick thought before I leave the board for a while (back around June 5). Thames's USMMail letter, which I assume was distributed elsewhere, of course changes nothing substantial. But I was please to see Lee Gore's name several times, and other references to vetting policy with actual leg...

Outside Observer

Night Chalker! Where are you? Have you been arrested by the Chalker Stalkers??? Haven't heard from you or about you in a while!

USM Sympathizer

Does anyone have any thoughts on what is likely to happen at the next PUC meeting? Will the Peanut Gallery be populated? I have asked members of the PUC to communicate their intentions on this board but have received no responses; is that silence significant in any way?

truth4usm/AH

Alright, I'm tired of all the depression and glumness I've been seeing on the board lately. I'm going to attribute it all to barometric pressure, finals, grading, and unfavorable planetary positions. Because, folks, here are the GOOD THINGS that we have accomplished: 1. Re...

Ditto Boy

As Fire Shelby closes let's all remember the people who have been hurt by SFT--and also remember that everyone of them has survived. HE HAS NOT MANAGED TO DESTROY ANYONE. The deans (Carl Martray, Jane Boudreaux, etc.) , the staff that were moved around or left for other jobs because of the sit...

babbs

Marvin Albin, Associate Professor of Accounting (University of West Florida) Billie Allen, Professor of Management (retirement) David Anderson, VP Facilities/Physical Plant (State of Mississippi) Ann Beardshall, Coordinator Delta Nutrition Project (retirement) David Berry, P...

Anon

I just finished listening to IHL El Presidente Klumb expound about the lack of post-tenure review in the Mississippi University System. Would someone please direct us to the documents and the process for same at USM? Has anyone ever lost tenure due to post-tenure review? If these questions about po...

elliott

she's going to decide who's doing a good job at usm and who's not, using all her knowledge and experienced gained at the chicken processing facility.

Quiet-but-Perceptive

Well with all the silliness of the whacko Wuzzo how can we communicate tonight?? Please stop.

TRUTH4USM

I DO!

Wuz Up

She Loves me.....

Wuz Up

She Loves me NOT....

Wuz Up

She loves me......

True Grit

I think it's nice that H/D are starting a new law firm in Hattiesburg since they feel there is a need for competent attornies in the business district, I think it's also nice that Walt Cain is going to intern with Thad Cochran. Why all the attention on these 3 though? Surely we have other peo...

tomcat

http://www.boundless.org/features/a0000906.html

texaseagle

Fire equipment will aid USM The purchase of two new fire trucks — at a cost of $396,000 — that feature smaller wheel bases will allow the Hattiesburg Fire Department improved access to the University of Southern Mississippi campus, Fire Chief Jim Fiero said Monday. "These provide...

tomcat

http://www.colby.edu/colby.mag/issues/84n2/tenure.html

tomcat

http://www.gsm.uci.edu/~mckenzie/tenureco.html

tomcat

http://www.historians.org/Perspectives/Issues/2004/0402/0402new1.cfm

tomcat

http://lilt.ilstu.edu/jhreid/isuaaup/tenure.htm

tomcat

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:N_VV0LiDaP8J:www.acenet.edu/resources/chairs/docs/Mallon.pdf+universities+without+tenure&hl=en

tomcat

http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/Mirontenure.html

babbs

Marvin Albin, Associate Professor of Accounting (University of West Florida) Billie Allen, Professor of Management (retirement) David Anderson, VP Facilities/Physical Plant (State of Mississippi) Ann Beardshall, Coordinator Delta Nutrition Project (retirement) David Berry, P...

Anon

THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI Marketing and Public Relations NEWS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: David Tisdale May 24, 2004 (601) 266-4499 SOUTHERN MISS’ WALT CAIN TO INTERN IN U.S. SENATOR THAD COCHRAN’S OFFICE FOR SUMMER 2004 HATTIESBURG --- Univ...

onlooker

Ex-USM officials to open law office By Janet Braswell, jbraswell@hattiesb.gannett.com American Senior Writer Hanbury A second upper level administrator will leave the University of Southern Mississippi to open a Hattiesburg law practice. Mark Dvor...

elliott

WDAM did a story on the casino management degree. They went into the CBED admin offices and interviewed Doty, who said the fall implementation was full steam ahead. Next, they did a story on the new law firm. Had video of Dvorak and Hanbury sitting in some new digs. On Hanbury's d...

LVN

Poll up this am asks about IHL role in USM situation.

Amy Young

I just read the latest USM Mailout. I am pasting in some of that email. I found it strange that there is so much advertising going on using the university system. Perhaps it is just me, but this seems a bit inappropriate in the use of university facilities. I want to point out t...

SMDTD

Faculty & staff are in for a rude awakening--the University is dropping several benefits currently offered, and you won't find out unless you ask! Not to mention the hike in the health insurance...Why such secrecy? Everyone needs to pay a visit to Human Resources and see what's re...

Questions for all

I'm just scratching my head wondering where it all went wrong at USM. I left in '96 and while I was there, it seemed that all camps were progressing and things were honestly getting better. Academics supported athletics & vice versa - I was under the impression that we were all...

flyingundertheradar

Listening to WDAM. Hanberry and Dvorak providing legal services in H'burg. Dvorak resigned this weekend.

new eagle

Get out now. The job market season for all disciplines is approaching. Get your resume polished and copied, and get out now. Some want you to "stay and fight," and if that's why you got your PhD, then feel free to do so. If, on the other hand, you got it to contribute something t...

Outward Bound

Tenure - a hot topic and one tht is hard to understand in the 'real world,' what ever that is... PARADIGM SHIFT: Tenure is the academic equivalent of becoming certified in higher education. Tenure is the recognition by your peers that you are a person who has demonstrated excellence in their fiel...

truth4usm/AH

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040524/localnews/492297.html Here's an excerpt from the story: In the month since Gov. Haley Barbour appointed Robinson, she has received about 75 letters, telephone calls and e-mails about USM. They are overwhelmingly positive...

Anne Wallace

I was just reading the end of the thread "Thames gains more power," and agree with Stephen J., Amy Y., etc.: Klumb will push hard, and while offering the rest of the Board members some room to manuever, we should push back just as hard. Although the outcome of the Board meeting is --well, "disgustin...

Robert Evans

Since IHL Board member Robin Robinson mentioned in today's Hattiesburg American that the overwhelming majority of the approximately 75 communications she has received about USM has been from supporters of President Thames, may I please remind her (a) of the overwhelming vote of no confidence in...

elliott

He's hassling webster on a nearby post...check it out, and let's give him a big fire shelby welcome!!!

bluegrass professor

Here's more interesting news! Just posted on the online version of Hattiesburg American is a short piece that announces that Mark Dvorak and Jack Hanbury will open their new law office here in town on July 1. Guess Mark will have two jobs.

webster

Dvorak & Hanbury, Attorneys at Law < 1. Hattiesburg-area law firm, founded in July of 2004, whose partners are Mark Dvorak and John I. "Jack" Hanbury; 2. new law firm specializing in business-related law (i.e., not higher education law); 3. new Hattiesburg-area law firm where one can hire n...

Wuz Up

SFT has no great plan. The question becomes-- Why or How does he engage in "outside" employment without IHL Board approval? Look on some of the web sites. SFT is listed as an "expert" in garbage "poly's". According to the drunk PR bimbo, SFT rakes in the buck "big time," to th...

Machiavelli

I have followed this site with great interest for quite some time, reserving comment. I feel that it is now time to speak out. While you people are highly intelligent, your reasoning is filled with such vitriol that you are missing the proverbial "forest for the trees." Please al...

truth4usm/AH

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040524/localnews/492328.html Now that Pood has tenure, will he act any differently? Also, check out this quote from Klumb re: Robin Robinson bringing up the issue of post-tenure review: But College Board President Roy Klumb prai...

bring it on

Like it or not people, this is where the battle will be won for us. We need to get SFT to go after Bower. A battle over football will bring academics back to life at USM --- how ironic.

Been There Seen It

Dear Board Participants I am watching this board from afar and have a hard time understanding where it is going. The contributions have dropped off the last week in content,and the board seems to be looking for itself in all the wrong places. I have seen a lot about Exit 13 on this board, but the...

yawn

He's making a perfect arse of himself, again. Elliot is dancing circles around him. Tune in to WLOX, I think the show is only 30minutes long.

USM Veteran

There is no question that Frank and Gary caved in personally, and dumped on the faculty at USM by their settlement. One can only hope that there is some way to find out why they settled. If they were as "clean" as they stated, and if Shelby was as "dirty" and "weak" as his testimony would suggest, then th...

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STICKY: THIS BOARD WILL CLOSE ON FRIDAY MAY 28 (Preview) This board will close on Friday, May 28. The AAUP has opened a message board at its website. Go to www.aaup-usm.org and click the link to the AAUP message board. I appreciate the participation of everyone here, and hope that closing this board will cause no inconveniences. T...	Fire Shelby	31	2076	May 27, 2004 by Fire Shelby
URGENT MESSAGE FOR FIRE SHELBY! (Preview) Fire Shelby: Please email me ASAP (truth@FireThames.com)...I have a very important matter to discuss with you re: the message board. Thanks! Truth	truth4usm/AH	4	1241	May 27, 2004 by Fire Shelby
FS still here? (Preview) Hi FS, In spite of your message, the board is still working! Maybe you are just leaving it here so that the library can finish archiving it? Thanks again for everything. We all sincerely hope you weren't in any way coerced into closing this board.	foot soldier	1	773	May 27, 2004 by Fire Shelby
HA article: Fire Shelby to shut down (Preview) http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040527/localnews/516576.html I didn't think that the entire site would be shutting down...just the message board. Is this true, FS?	truth4usm/AH	10	1154	May 27, 2004 by Fire Shelby
Writing to Robin Robinson and the IHL (Preview) The other day in the H-A, Robin Robinson stated that she had received about 75 letters since she had been on the IHL board, all in support of Thames. I promptly sat down and sent her the letter I meant to write to her at the end of the semester. I imagine many of you out there have written many letters to the IH...	foot soldier	1	716	May 27, 2004 by foot soldier
USM departures 5/27/2004 (Preview) Marvin Albin, Associate Professor of Accounting (University of West Florida) Billie Allen, Professor of Management (retirement) David Anderson, VP Facilities/Physical Plant (State of Mississippi) Ann Beardshall, Coordinator Delta Nutrition Project (retirement) David Berry, P...	babbs	0	734	May 27, 2004 by babbs
Mader & Co. Win Awards (Preview) SOUTHERN MISS PUBLIC RELATIONS DEPARTMENT WINS 17 AWARDS AT COLLEGE PUBLIC RELATIONS CONFERENCE HATTIESBURG -- The University of Southern Mississippi's Jenny Watson, Angela Cutrer, Lisa Mader and Valerie Craig won the "Public Relations Innovatio...	van dyke	11	1245	May 27, 2004 by not.home.sick.anymore
SFT in disbelief that people don't believe him (Preview) http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040527/localnews/516565.html Best quote: Thames seemed surprised that some in the university community distrust his administration. "I think I made a statement last week to this group that e-mails are not being monitored," he s...	truth4usm/AH	2	917	May 27, 2004 by Invictus
Letter to ed: Meet us halfway, SFT (Preview) http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040526/opinion/508659.html Great letter from USM faculty member, Wilbur Moreland.	truth4usm/AH	10	1101	May 27, 2004 by Invictus
CBED: House of Sand and Fog (Preview) Had lunch yesterday with a CBED prof/client. He didn't mention anything about the executive MBA program from the other thread. He did describe the place as a wasteland. Said faculty will soon be departing in droves (not good for my business).	broker	29	1723	May 27, 2004 by Sad about the mess
What would Bob Dylan say? (Preview) Invictus, Do you have any words from Bob Dylan to close out the FS message board? There have been requests, and I'm not up to the task (I provided words from T.S. Eliot on another thread!). Does anyone else have final words from Great Thinkers to add to the thread? Truth	truth4usm/AH	18	1063	May 27, 2004 by Invictus
Letter re: tenure/evaluation by USM faculty member (Preview) http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040527/opinion/516882.html	USM Sympathizer	0	850	May 27, 2004 by USM Sympathizer
Zorro (Preview) I'm sure that SFT is thrilled that the FS website is coming down Friday. In light of this, it'd be great if we could find someway to keep it going and since Fire Shelby can't maintain it any longer, for whatever reason, what about passing on the responsibilities of "Fire Shelby" to someone else. The only...	Zorro	0	874	May 27, 2004 by Zorro
another scandal (Preview) Just heard from a person in the continuing ed college that Hudson's internet PhD isn't even properly approved. Should we rename Southern to 'Tim's degree Mill?"	PhD for sale	2	1153	May 27, 2004 by Malapropism
PUC in the Clarion-Ledger (Preview) Council members suggest USM panel advise Thames By Janet Braswell Hattiesburg American Members of the President's Council Wednesday proposed a small committee to advise President Shelby Thames on the need for electronic monitoring of faculty, staff or students at the University of Southern...	tvscene	0	839	May 27, 2004 by tvscene
Will the recordings be linked by the new board? (Preview) Friends, I am hoping that the recordings available on the FS site will also be available on the new board. I refer to the initial recording of Professors Glamser and Stringer (and others) speaking to the faculty, as well as the recording of the testimony at the hearing. Both recording...	USM Sympathizer	1	754	May 26, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
USM departures 5/26/2004 (Preview) Marvin Albin, Associate Professor of Accounting (University of West Florida) Billie Allen, Professor of Management (retirement) David Anderson, VP Facilities/Physical Plant (State of Mississippi) Ann Beardshall, Coordinator Delta Nutrition Project (retirement) David Berry, P...	babbs	0	879	May 26, 2004 by babbs
Bobby Middlebrooks on WDAM news at 10 (Preview) Middlebrooks told wdam reporter that both sides, the puc members and Thames, are making an honest effort at communicating, and he seems to think puke is working. Dear USM supporters, PUC is doing much more harm than good.	anti-puker	1	919	May 26, 2004 by Seeker's Risk Manager
some economics of tenure (Preview) http://agecon.unl.edu/royer/tenure.htm	tomcat	2	852	May 26, 2004 by usmstudent
Truth4USM/AH (Preview) will you please email me: lanny@eagletalk.net	Lanny Mixon	1	876	May 26, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
Today's HA: SFT's email order was verbal (Preview) From today's HA: http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040526/southernmissnews/508587.html I haven't even had a chance to read this yet!	truth4usm/AH	16	1187	May 26, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
Gulf Coast Campus (Preview) Does anyone realize what is happening on the Gulf Coast Campus???? Kenbot is destroying everything. People have been losing jobs, and it is not funny. The Mader Machine has sent out several press releases saying that people will be moved to "other positions" but they are simply...	Stepchild	3	1058	May 26, 2004 by Kicker
Any PUCers Reports ? (Preview) Are there any PUCers out there with a report on today's meeting?	Otherside	8	949	May 26, 2004 by Tinctoris
PHD in Economic Development (Preview) If you think the new executive MBA in economic development if unreal, how about their PHD program, which has upwards of 50 enrolled and 2 faculty members!!! The CBED faculty as a whole refused to discuss "upgrading" this program, sending it back to the econ dev faculty for clarification of the goals a...	oldiegoldie	11	1040	May 26, 2004 by REALRealityCheck
today's PUC agenda (Preview) President’s Council Agenda Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:00 p.m., Union Room H ·   Academic Freedom   · Updates 1. ...	tomcat	13	1028	May 26, 2004 by USM Sympathizer
Dvorak and Hanberry (Preview) If Mark Dvorak and Jack Hanberry are starting their own law firm, who will they be representing? Southern Miss? Maybe disgruntled faculty members??? (They do have the inside track to most of the sneakiness on campus.)	Concerned Staff Member	36	1640	May 26, 2004 by FS Entertainment Director
Note from Elijah Jones (Preview) Online editorial board member lacks confidence in College Board EDITORIALS Question: Do you expect the state College Board to provide the leadership that is needed to help improve relations between the administration and faculty at the University of Southern Mississippi? ...	tvscene	2	941	May 26, 2004 by Local Supporter
Editorial: Alum says-No confidence in IHL Board (Preview) http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040526/opinion/508657.html	truth4usm/AH	1	772	May 26, 2004 by Local Supporter
New WLOX Item for 05/26/04 (Preview) The Internet edition of WLOX, dated today (05/26/04) says "If the Veteran's Administration goes through with its plans to close the Gulfport VA, the University of Southern Mississippi wants to lease the hospital. University president, Dr. Shelby Thames, officially notified the VA of his intent...	Cowboy's Sweetheart	0	714	May 26, 2004 by Cowboy's Sweetheart
Real Issues (Preview) I would love to hear a discussion of the Real Issues. So I imagined what a debate with Roy Klumb would be like. My guess he would make the following points. 1) This state can’t support so many institutions of higher learning (Univ.s and C. Colleges) so institutions must find their own sources of fun...	Otherside	43	2618	May 26, 2004 by Wuz Up
HUDSON MUST GO, NO QUESTION! (Preview) Hudson must go there is no question about that. Seems like he has been working Shebby hard so he can keep within the ranks. Looks like he likes the HEAVY PERKS!! Hudson has figured out that there is a FREE LUNCH at the end of the rainbow. He lies to the faculty senate while he enj...	Wuz Up	0	779	May 26, 2004 by Wuz Up
G'bye y'all (Preview) Thanks to all who contributed to the many useful and interesting conversations in this electronic town-hall, and especially to FS for making this "building" possible. We (the real USM rather than the faux Southern Miss) are all stronger, better informed, more organized and certainly sane...	Doug Chambers	3	934	May 26, 2004 by Quiet-but-Perceptive
Some (more) sad news to report... (Preview) Hello (future former) FS readers: I know these are troubling times. The saga there in Hattiesburg and your State continues, and yesterday you find out that this board goes down in 48 hours or so. Well, I hate to have to add to the list, but I'm afraid I have some sad news to pass along.&nbs...	Thomas Cooley's Risk Manager	21	1347	May 26, 2004 by Austin Eagle
Does anyone remember . . . (Preview) the name or page of the thread in which many people responded to a challenge (I think it was posed by "Old Timer") to dispute SFT's vision of USM? The thread turned up much useful information from prominent writers such as Derek Bok about what makes a university successful.	USM Sympathizer	3	883	May 26, 2004 by Otherside
Fire Shelby's house (Preview) What this board is: This board is like a private home. The owner, Fire Shelby, has decided to hold open house for the neighborhood. The front door is left open. People come and go from the house, laugh, have serious discussions, disagree with one another, and all sorts of...	LVN	8	1181	May 26, 2004 by LVN
WHAT IS GOING ON! (Preview) Y'all get a grip! What in the h*ll is going on in here tonight? Yes, I too feel sad that the board will be closing; however, lets not fight. We have a short time to get the word out on some issues like: Mader does she stay or go? Why should she enjoy the pay raise? Why shoul...	Quiet-but-Perceptive	7	1095	May 26, 2004 by Gossip Monger
RECONCILIATION BY MACHIAVELLI (Preview) Machiavelli: I do admire your passion and attempts to reconcile the perceived attitude of this board. My advice is that you speak your opinions and accept the criticism as you have thus far. I would caution you though. In the past I too attempted to pass on advice that I thought w...	Quiet-but-Perceptive	0	763	May 26, 2004 by Quiet-but-Perceptive
Attack? (closed) (Preview) Your censor, FS, closed my thread alleging that I personally attacked a member. To my knowledge, I was engaging in a respectful discussion with several of you. If I personally attacked you, please let me know, as that was my intent. Methinks FS just disagreed with me, so she closed the...	Machiavelli	2	845	May 26, 2004 by Machiavelli
Does anyone know how to easily archive this site? (Preview) Does any computer whiz out there know how to download and save (and thus archive) the whole site in one fell swoop? It takes about half an hour to save one page of the message board, message-by-message; there are now 37 pages of messages. If anyone knows how to preserve all this stuf...	USM Sympathizer	21	945	May 26, 2004 by USM Sympathizer
Amy Young in the CL today (Preview) Evaluating ideas is not 'liberalism' I find it astonishing that A.E. Griffing can equate liberalism with such epithets as "unethical," "immoral" and "irresponsible" ("Professors to blame for liberalism?" May 9). Further, if parents believe that their children are so easily corrupted by exp...	tvscene	11	958	May 26, 2004 by USM Sympathizer
Final Thoughts (closed) (Preview) I cannot let this board go away without a final thought. In fact, I will end with a quote: "You see too much hate. And I'll tell you one thing -- hate will turn on people. . . . When hate gets in politics, it's a very, very dangerous aspect." Chicago Mayor Daley on John Kerry's remarks...	Machiavelli	27	987	May 26, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
Excellent letter by Amy Young (Preview) http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040526/OPINION/405260311/1009 Amy Young is batting a thousand today!	USM Sympathizer	0	694	May 26, 2004 by USM Sympathizer
Editorial on Roy Klumb in today's CL (Preview) http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040526/COL0412/40526012/1201 I like the term "cigar boys."	truth4usm/AH	3	859	May 26, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
Judge Cooley is alive/well, and pi$$ed! (Preview) Hooray FS readers!! Judge Cooley has been sitting at the Pine Belt Regional Airport for 10 hours now, waiting for his limo (i.e., me). Here's the story. As you all know, he left from Paris to Hawaii early last week. Well, they made a stop over in Lansing (I didn't know this) on thei...	Thomas Cooley's Risk Manager	3	784	May 26, 2004 by Outside Observer
Unequal Playing Field (Preview) Some observers have accused Stringer and Glamser of "selling out" and benefiting financially from the "settlement." I would like to point out that Professors Stringer and Glamser and their families experienced a two-month pillorying in the press and spent no less than $6,00...	First Ant at the Picnic	0	724	May 26, 2004 by First Ant at the Picnic
whopping news from Lansing (Preview) Hellooo Fighters for TRUTH: I've been working in Lansing (Mayor's Office) all morning. Here's what I have to report. It seems the Mayor's office has received e-mails, letters, phone calls and reports of an interesting letter that many citizens (we know of about 1,200 so far) of Lans...	Thomas Cooley's Risk Manager	4	1093	May 26, 2004 by Invictus
Unequal Playing Field (Preview) Some observers have accused Stringer and Glamser of "selling out" and benefiting financially from the "settlement." I would like to point out that Professors Stringer and Glamser and their families experienced a two-month pillorying in the press and spent no less than $6,00...	First	0	625	May 26, 2004 by First
Petition update (Preview) The on-line petition is very close now to having 600 signature (578 at present). This means that in just the past week the number of signatures has nearly doubled. This is very impressive momentum; let's try to keep it going! If you can't sign openly yourself, please urge friends...	USM Sympathizer	25	1672	May 26, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
new executive MBA program by EconDevelopment (Preview) Just heard that the economic development department is now offering an executive MBA program. The apparently did an end-run around the usual channels in the CBED and are now offering a program in competition with the usual ones in the CBED. They are already setting up summer courses, e...	MBAgal	17	1220	May 26, 2004 by Mediahound
Hattiesburg American Poll (Preview) Hattiesburg American Poll Will the state College Board provide the leadership that is needed to improve relations between the administration and faculty at the University of Southern Mississippi? VOTE NOW	Otherside	17	1434	May 26, 2004 by Emma
Here's hoping that the AAUP site will . . . (Preview) carry over many of the best features of the present site, and perhaps add a few. Some suggestions: * provide links to the opinion pages of the HA, the CL, the Sun-Herald, the Student Printz, and other papers * provide links to the e-mail addresses of the governor, the legislature, local off...	USM Sympathizer	0	721	May 25, 2004 by USM Sympathizer
Where is SFT's "Great Plan?" (Preview) Here is the press release from the IHL regarding their 3 hour meeting with SFT: http://www.ihl.state.ms.us/newsstory.asp?ID=270 Here's the relevant excerpt. Let's break it down, shall we?-- The Board heard from Dr. Thames of his plans to improve communication with university co...	truth4usm/AH	10	1017	May 25, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
new Glossary entries: A-Z (Preview) Economic Development department < 1. a collection of individuals trained in English, geography and polymer science offering online/Internet degrees in economics (someone please investigate and report back to Webster with info on what USM’s economists teach); 2. about to get a new $12 milli...	webster	6	1142	May 25, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
Question for David Johnson (Preview) David, I have been away from the board for a few days, so I apologize if you have already answered this question. Do you plan to introduce, at the next meeting of the PUC, your resolution that the PUC turn itself over to representatives from elected campus bodies? I sincerely hope that t...	USM Sympathizer	3	936	May 25, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
SFT's letter (Preview) Just a quick thought before I leave the board for a while (back around June 5). Thames's USMMail letter, which I assume was distributed elsewhere, of course changes nothing substantial. But I was please to see Lee Gore's name several times, and other references to vetting policy with actual leg...	Anne Wallace	19	1363	May 25, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
Night Chalker??? (Preview) Night Chalker! Where are you? Have you been arrested by the Chalker Stalkers??? Haven't heard from you or about you in a while!	Outside Observer	2	894	May 25, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
Next PUC meeting (Preview) Does anyone have any thoughts on what is likely to happen at the next PUC meeting? Will the Peanut Gallery be populated? I have asked members of the PUC to communicate their intentions on this board but have received no responses; is that silence significant in any way?	USM Sympathizer	5	848	May 25, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
Here's the good news, folks... (Preview) Alright, I'm tired of all the depression and glumness I've been seeing on the board lately. I'm going to attribute it all to barometric pressure, finals, grading, and unfavorable planetary positions. Because, folks, here are the GOOD THINGS that we have accomplished: 1. Re...	truth4usm/AH	21	1973	May 25, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
In memory (Preview) As Fire Shelby closes let's all remember the people who have been hurt by SFT--and also remember that everyone of them has survived. HE HAS NOT MANAGED TO DESTROY ANYONE. The deans (Carl Martray, Jane Boudreaux, etc.) , the staff that were moved around or left for other jobs because of the sit...	Ditto Boy	5	1033	May 25, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
USM departures 5/25/2004 (Preview) Marvin Albin, Associate Professor of Accounting (University of West Florida) Billie Allen, Professor of Management (retirement) David Anderson, VP Facilities/Physical Plant (State of Mississippi) Ann Beardshall, Coordinator Delta Nutrition Project (retirement) David Berry, P...	babbs	1	831	May 25, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
Post Tenure Review (Preview) I just finished listening to IHL El Presidente Klumb expound about the lack of post-tenure review in the Mississippi University System. Would someone please direct us to the documents and the process for same at USM? Has anyone ever lost tenure due to post-tenure review? If these questions about po...	Anon	14	1117	May 25, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
robin robinson on wdam-tv (Preview) she's going to decide who's doing a good job at usm and who's not, using all her knowledge and experienced gained at the chicken processing facility.	elliott	4	754	May 25, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
A New Thread (Preview) Well with all the silliness of the whacko Wuzzo how can we communicate tonight?? Please stop.	Quiet-but-Perceptive	1	1205	May 25, 2004 by dropping wuz's posts lower
I DO (Preview) I DO!	TRUTH4USM	6	786	May 25, 2004 by Wuz Up
ME (Preview) She Loves me.....	Wuz Up	0	600	May 25, 2004 by Wuz Up
Not Me (Preview) She Loves me NOT....	Wuz Up	0	702	May 25, 2004 by Wuz Up
ME (Preview) She loves me......	Wuz Up	0	668	May 25, 2004 by Wuz Up
Recent PR releases (Preview) I think it's nice that H/D are starting a new law firm in Hattiesburg since they feel there is a need for competent attornies in the business district, I think it's also nice that Walt Cain is going to intern with Thad Cochran. Why all the attention on these 3 though? Surely we have other peo...	True Grit	2	808	May 25, 2004 by True Grit
interesting essay (from Christian college presp.) (Preview) http://www.boundless.org/features/a0000906.html	tomcat	2	769	May 25, 2004 by Concerned Nurse Alum
help is on the way (Preview) Fire equipment will aid USM The purchase of two new fire trucks — at a cost of $396,000 — that feature smaller wheel bases will allow the Hattiesburg Fire Department improved access to the University of Southern Mississippi campus, Fire Chief Jim Fiero said Monday. "These provide...	texaseagle	1	903	May 25, 2004 by Austin Eagle
Colby Prez on tenure (Preview) http://www.colby.edu/colby.mag/issues/84n2/tenure.html	tomcat	0	718	May 25, 2004 by tomcat
McKenzie on tenure (Preview) http://www.gsm.uci.edu/~mckenzie/tenureco.html	tomcat	0	803	May 25, 2004 by tomcat
townsend on tenure (Preview) http://www.historians.org/Perspectives/Issues/2004/0402/0402new1.cfm	tomcat	0	711	May 25, 2004 by tomcat
more writing on tenure (Preview) http://lilt.ilstu.edu/jhreid/isuaaup/tenure.htm	tomcat	0	629	May 25, 2004 by tomcat
report listing univs w/out tenure (Preview) http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:N_VV0LiDaP8J:www.acenet.edu/resources/chairs/docs/Mallon.pdf+universities+without+tenure&hl=en	tomcat	0	765	May 25, 2004 by tomcat
good article on tenure (Preview) http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/Mirontenure.html	tomcat	0	609	May 25, 2004 by tomcat
USM departures 5/24/2004 (Preview) Marvin Albin, Associate Professor of Accounting (University of West Florida) Billie Allen, Professor of Management (retirement) David Anderson, VP Facilities/Physical Plant (State of Mississippi) Ann Beardshall, Coordinator Delta Nutrition Project (retirement) David Berry, P...	babbs	3	886	May 25, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
Walt's Summer Job (Preview) THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI Marketing and Public Relations NEWS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: David Tisdale May 24, 2004 (601) 266-4499 SOUTHERN MISS’ WALT CAIN TO INTERN IN U.S. SENATOR THAD COCHRAN’S OFFICE FOR SUMMER 2004 HATTIESBURG --- Univ...	Anon	6	1060	May 25, 2004 by friend
HA story on Dvorak/Hanbury (Preview) Ex-USM officials to open law office By Janet Braswell, jbraswell@hattiesb.gannett.com American Senior Writer Hanbury A second upper level administrator will leave the University of Southern Mississippi to open a Hattiesburg law practice. Mark Dvor...	onlooker	4	898	May 25, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
Doty, Dvorak and Hanbury on WDAM (Preview) WDAM did a story on the casino management degree. They went into the CBED admin offices and interviewed Doty, who said the fall implementation was full steam ahead. Next, they did a story on the new law firm. Had video of Dvorak and Hanbury sitting in some new digs. On Hanbury's d...	elliott	11	1122	May 25, 2004 by dr. bice
New HA Poll (Preview) Poll up this am asks about IHL role in USM situation.	LVN	0	687	May 25, 2004 by LVN
ads on USM Mailout (Preview) I just read the latest USM Mailout. I am pasting in some of that email. I found it strange that there is so much advertising going on using the university system. Perhaps it is just me, but this seems a bit inappropriate in the use of university facilities. I want to point out t...	Amy Young	2	775	May 25, 2004 by Newgirl
Dvorak strikes again! (Preview) Faculty & staff are in for a rude awakening--the University is dropping several benefits currently offered, and you won't find out unless you ask! Not to mention the hike in the health insurance...Why such secrecy? Everyone needs to pay a visit to Human Resources and see what's re...	SMDTD	7	1424	May 25, 2004 by Quiet-but-Perceptive
Where did it all go wrong? (Preview) I'm just scratching my head wondering where it all went wrong at USM. I left in '96 and while I was there, it seemed that all camps were progressing and things were honestly getting better. Academics supported athletics & vice versa - I was under the impression that we were all...	Questions for all	6	992	May 24, 2004 by Eagle in Cairo, Egypt
Hanberry/Dvorak (Preview) Listening to WDAM. Hanberry and Dvorak providing legal services in H'burg. Dvorak resigned this weekend.	flyingundertheradar	11	1102	May 24, 2004 by Invictus
to all jr. faculty at USM (Preview) Get out now. The job market season for all disciplines is approaching. Get your resume polished and copied, and get out now. Some want you to "stay and fight," and if that's why you got your PhD, then feel free to do so. If, on the other hand, you got it to contribute something t...	new eagle	3	890	May 24, 2004 by Invictus
Tenure: 20 sec. talking points (Preview) Tenure - a hot topic and one tht is hard to understand in the 'real world,' what ever that is... PARADIGM SHIFT: Tenure is the academic equivalent of becoming certified in higher education. Tenure is the recognition by your peers that you are a person who has demonstrated excellence in their fiel...	Outward Bound	21	1293	May 24, 2004 by USM Sympathizer
Robin Robinson speaks in the HA today.... (Preview) http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040524/localnews/492297.html Here's an excerpt from the story: In the month since Gov. Haley Barbour appointed Robinson, she has received about 75 letters, telephone calls and e-mails about USM. They are overwhelmingly positive...	truth4usm/AH	21	1221	May 24, 2004 by Invictus
keep pushing/corruption (Preview) I was just reading the end of the thread "Thames gains more power," and agree with Stephen J., Amy Y., etc.: Klumb will push hard, and while offering the rest of the Board members some room to manuever, we should push back just as hard. Although the outcome of the Board meeting is --well, "disgustin...	Anne Wallace	19	1474	May 24, 2004 by educator
Message sent to IHL for Robin Robinson (Preview) Since IHL Board member Robin Robinson mentioned in today's Hattiesburg American that the overwhelming majority of the approximately 75 communications she has received about USM has been from supporters of President Thames, may I please remind her (a) of the overwhelming vote of no confidence in...	Robert Evans	3	736	May 24, 2004 by Rober Evans
Hey everyone, R. Scott Farris is on this board!!!! (Preview) He's hassling webster on a nearby post...check it out, and let's give him a big fire shelby welcome!!!	elliott	1	765	May 24, 2004 by truth4usm/AH
Hanbury-Dvorak bidness (Preview) Here's more interesting news! Just posted on the online version of Hattiesburg American is a short piece that announces that Mark Dvorak and Jack Hanbury will open their new law office here in town on July 1. Guess Mark will have two jobs.	bluegrass professor	16	1145	May 24, 2004 by Robert Campbell
new Glossary entries: D & K (Preview) Dvorak & Hanbury, Attorneys at Law < 1. Hattiesburg-area law firm, founded in July of 2004, whose partners are Mark Dvorak and John I. "Jack" Hanbury; 2. new law firm specializing in business-related law (i.e., not higher education law); 3. new Hattiesburg-area law firm where one can hire n...	webster	0	664	May 24, 2004 by webster
SFT -- WHO? (Preview) SFT has no great plan. The question becomes-- Why or How does he engage in "outside" employment without IHL Board approval? Look on some of the web sites. SFT is listed as an "expert" in garbage "poly's". According to the drunk PR bimbo, SFT rakes in the buck "big time," to th...	Wuz Up	4	928	May 24, 2004 by educator
Can You See the Forest? (Preview) I have followed this site with great interest for quite some time, reserving comment. I feel that it is now time to speak out. While you people are highly intelligent, your reasoning is filled with such vitriol that you are missing the proverbial "forest for the trees." Please al...	Machiavelli	15	1123	May 24, 2004 by Wuz Up
Pood has tenure now & more on Klumb/Robinson (Preview) http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040524/localnews/492328.html Now that Pood has tenure, will he act any differently? Also, check out this quote from Klumb re: Robin Robinson bringing up the issue of post-tenure review: But College Board President Roy Klumb prai...	truth4usm/AH	6	1036	May 24, 2004 by Mitch Berman
Thames v. Bower (Preview) Like it or not people, this is where the battle will be won for us. We need to get SFT to go after Bower. A battle over football will bring academics back to life at USM --- how ironic.	bring it on	12	1306	May 24, 2004 by ram
Get Real (Preview) Dear Board Participants I am watching this board from afar and have a hard time understanding where it is going. The contributions have dropped off the last week in content,and the board seems to be looking for itself in all the wrong places. I have seen a lot about Exit 13 on this board, but the...	Been There Seen It	11	1049	May 24, 2004 by IWW
Roy Klumb on WLOX now (Preview) He's making a perfect arse of himself, again. Elliot is dancing circles around him. Tune in to WLOX, I think the show is only 30minutes long.	yawn	12	1159	May 24, 2004 by Robert Campbell
Stringer and Glamser (Preview) There is no question that Frank and Gary caved in personally, and dumped on the faculty at USM by their settlement. One can only hope that there is some way to find out why they settled. If they were as "clean" as they stated, and if Shelby was as "dirty" and "weak" as his testimony would suggest, then th...	USM Veteran	38	1447	May 24, 2004 by ram