Dana's resume

Date: Apr 19, 2004

Dana's resume

Date: Apr 19, 2004

Do we know this for a fact or is this speculation?

Date: Apr 19, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Questions
"Do we know this for a fact or is this speculation?"

It is a fact. One person can't come out of the woods on this one for some really valid reasons. But, hopefully somebody else can release this. Does anyone know if possessing someone else's vita can get you in a bunch of trouble (thinking about the Dvorak issue)?

Date: Apr 19, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: emma
"...surely it has to be on record somewhere."

I think it's utterly amazing that so many people "hide" their vitae. I thought the purpose of a resumé was to "advertise" one's experience & skills. And certainly the resumé of a person in the public sector shouldn't be "private"... That would be antithetical to the whole point of public service, wouldn't it?

Curiouser & curiouser, really. Which rabbit hole did we fall down after tumbling through the looking glass?

Date: Apr 19, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: emma
"It is a fact. One person can't come out of the woods on this one for some really valid reasons. But, hopefully somebody else can release this. Does anyone know if possessing someone else's vita can get you in a bunch of trouble (thinking about the Dvorak issue)? "

Think it might be connected with how it was obtained (as in from an unauthorized copying from a personnel file. However, if it came secondhand (especially from an anonymous source) then it should be OK.

The deeper question may be an ethical one. In other words, what outcome is expected from revealing the vita -- is it to embarrass the person in public, to expose a scandal, or to give the person a chnace to fix something that might have any number of logical and explicable reasons.

Remember the Dvorak case began in such a way -- the determining factor here was that her credentials were being used in a way to legitimize her academic standing and thus to avoid creating questions about whether she should sit on promotion and tenure committees. It was this issue concerning the credibility of tenure and promotion procedures that justified 1) turning the credentials over to her boss 2) asking faculty senate to investigate to concerns.

Date: Apr 19, 2004

I'm sure it would really raise questions as to whether she's in a position to be judging scholarly productivity.

I know the article referred to though --

It's "Teachers' and Administrators' Perceptions of Standardized Testing" in the Mississippi Educational Leadership Journal November 1997 (Mississippi Association for Supervision & Curriculum Development)

The authors were (in this order)

Mary Howe

Dana G. Thames

Cynthia A. Ward

When she and (the late, great) Jesse Palmer were both vying for the Chair of what is now CISE they both turned in their C.V.'s along with letters of application to the chair of the search committee Dr. Stan Kuczaj who was chair of the College's Searh Committee. At that time the c.v.s of both were on record. Dana was ultimately chosen as chair but I think that's where the discrepancy was brought to light since I think when listing that article, she listed her name before her doctoral student so it said Thames, Howe, and Ward. Maybe it was just an innocent mistake??

Date: Apr 19, 2004

Sorry I did not mean to creat a problem earlier. I apologize barney Fife but it was just a "rumor" I heard.

On this issue of vitae--this is touchy. Just because it came from an annonymous source does not protect one thing.

I would be careful. Just ask for it.

Date: Apr 19, 2004

The resume, back in 1999, was made public - but it has to be a matter of public record when NCATE comes back on campus in the fall. And when that happens, there won't be all that many resumes for them to view with the massive departures from that Department! Losing Susan Malone from English is also a big blow to the professionalism of teacher education. She was a big factor in the NCATE accreditation last time and without her around, they'll be hurtin' for certain.

Date: Apr 19, 2004

No one's vita is confidential.

Only people who lie on their vitas ever pretend that vitas are confidential.

I would start by asking Dana Thames for a copy.

If she refuses to provide a copy, that's highly suspicious in and of itself.

If she won't provide one, get a copy from anyone who has one--but don't break into her personnel file to get it, because some stuff in that file (letters of recommendation, performance evaluations, any reprimands that might be in it ) really is confidential.

If possessing a copy of an academic's vita is a crime, so are eating and breathing...

Date: Apr 19, 2004

You can ban me if you want to but Robert your wrong. Your advice is stupid. You need to look at how the other person obtained.

Date: Apr 19, 2004

I think that this fits into the thread, but can someone tell me WHY c.v.'s are confidential???? That is what is stupid. Shouldn't people tell the truth on them -- the debacle over the Dvorak one and what has occured reminds me of Germany in the late 30's. Her 1999 one is out there, and many people have it. No one stole it out of her file. It was there for all departmental members to see. So was Jesse's.

Thank goodness that we have this Board where these issues can be discussed --

Date: Apr 19, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Questions
"You can ban me if you want to but Robert your wrong. Your advice is stupid. You need to look at how the other person obtained."

eh??? What part of his advice is stupid? I also thought that academic CVs were public record. It's a listing of your *public* achievements (such as jobs, degrees, publications, etc.). This reminds me of certain professors who won't share copies of their projects funded by federal agencies (when you can just use FOIA to get them). It's public information, people!

Date: Apr 19, 2004

Truth:

Someone told me to look you up on your page and then they told me I could talk to you here. Come on back you are missed. I will e-mail you later.

My point on the vitae was the earlier question of how it was obtained. the earlier thread alluded to how it was obtained and in what context it was used.

See ya

Date: Apr 19, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Questions
"You can ban me if you want to but Robert your wrong. Your advice is stupid. You need to look at how the other person obtained."

I didn't intend for my entire previous message to be in bold, just the the first two sentences. Sorry for the HTML error...

But with all due respect, Questions, you simply don't have a legtimate concern here.

A curriculum vitae or a resume is NOT confidential. How could a tool of self-promotion that lists matters of public knowledge such as degrees, course taught, publications, grants, etc., be confidential?

The only people I have ever heard claim their vita was confidential were:

* A professor who lied about a foreign degree (and some other accomplishments, come to think of it)

* Angie Dvorak

In fact, the supporters of that professor never claimed that their vitas were confidential--only that the professor's was.

I would never tell you not to read my vita, copy it, publish it on the Web. Neither would any honest academic that I know. Why on earth would we try to prevent other people from seeing what we've done?

Date: Apr 19, 2004

Truth/Questions/Everyone

It was obtained honestly - no cloak and dagger - no sliding under someone's door. It's an artifact that many people, including one who is now deceased, hung on to --- I've seen a copy of it and see the discrepancies. But the person who now has it can't be involved right now due to legal issues (take a big guess who I'm talking about). But, it's come to the attention of others not even related to ongoing legal suits, and some of them have it. The exchange was an honest one, but one of the biggest bonuses of this board is that these things can be discussed without someone clenching her fists and tearfully declaring war on anyone who questions her credentials. Face it, FS was right on with the DT expose a Tale of Two Articles. It's not just the publication issue here - it's the padding which only lends credence to the fact that those who don't appreciate academics, pad.