NCATE in Ed. Dept.

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NCATE in Ed. Dept.

Date: Apr 26, 2004

Oh, except for English and History - the preliminary NCATE visit stunk. I'd be thinking long and hard about attending USM if you want to be an elementary or special ed teacher. Those who want to be secondary teachers can go through the alternative route - but their credentials will not automatically be honored if they want to leave the state and teach.

You know, this university has its roots as the Normal College (its history is entrenched in teacher education) but it's about to run out of steam.

They lost a great dean in Carl Martray (he was on the ball and knew what he needed to do to keep this program accredited). There are few accomplished people still there to fight the battles. Losing Susan Malone is a very pivotal problem as far as keeping accreditation. Hope they can keep Eric Luce - he's a big credit to this program.

But it's usually the competent ones who pose the biggest threats to DGT's self perception. And just like Daddy, she gets rid of anyone whose intelligence surpasses hers. (And that's a LOT of people btw).

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Originally posted by: emma
"Oh, except for English and History - the preliminary NCATE visit stunk. I'd be thinking long and hard about attending USM if you want to be an elementary or special ed teacher. Those who want to be secondary teachers can go through the alternative route - but their credentials will not automatically be honored if they want to leave the state and teach. You know, this university has its roots as the Normal College (its history is entrenched in teacher education) but it's about to run out of steam. They lost a great dean in Carl Martray (he was on the ball and knew what he needed to do to keep this program accredited). There are few accomplished people still there to fight the battles. Losing Susan Malone is a very pivotal problem as far as keeping accreditation. Hope they can keep Eric Luce - he's a big credit to this program. But it's usually the competent ones who pose the biggest threats to DGT's self perception. And just like Daddy, she gets rid of anyone whose intelligence surpasses hers. (And that's a LOT of people btw)."

So is she lying when she states that her department passed NCATE review "with flying colors?"

How can accreditation status be verified?

Date: Apr 27, 2004

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Originally posted by:
"Dana Thames is telling people that her department passed this past fall's NCATE review "with flying colors." Anyone in the know, please set the record straight and provide advice on how USM's Ed Dept.s' NCATE status can be verified. Incoming freshmen and transfers want to know."

The NCATE review is not until this coming fall 2004. With the collapsing of colleges and all the upheaval at USM last year, and before Dean Martray left, his office asked for the review to be postponed. USM was given until fall 2004. It was supposed to have taken place in the fall of 2003. There has been a recent Mississippi Department of Education review. Supposedly that went well, although they asked for more documentation.

The former NCATE review which took place around 1998 went fine after the college of ed psych was put on probabation by NCATE in 1997, I believe. DT may be referring to the PAST NCATE review but she can't be referring to the future one which hasn't yet taken place.

Date: Apr 27, 2004

Ed. dept. "passed" the State Dept. of Ed.'s Process Review last week. Although the NCATE standards are considered, this is done to keep the STATE liscencure program. This looks at the process, not the substance. It will be extremely interesting to see how the governance issue plays out with national NCATE.

Date: Apr 27, 2004

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Originally posted by: emma
"Oh, except for English and History - the preliminary NCATE visit stunk.

So, liberal arts saves the Administration's (or at least the offspring's) ass again? Maybe one day they will acknowledge the fantastic work being done by the lowest paid faculty and staff on campus!

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Originally posted by: Angeline
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to liberal arts profs and students!

Date: Apr 27, 2004

http://www.ncate.org/accred/continuing/faq_continuing.htm

That site has a list of people at the end of the page who would certainly find DGT's statement that the program passed with "flying colors" in the fall 2003 (surely she couldn't be referring a the visit 5 years prior to that) quite interesting. And, NCATE didn't delay USM's visit just because they were sympathetic to the fact that a very competent Dean had been fired and faculty were jumping out of the COEP as fast as rats on a sinking ship - they put off the official visit KNOWING that USM's program has some big, big problems -major problems and their review will be all that more stringent. And USM's students and potential students who want to be part of a strong teacher education program -- need to know that.

Date: Apr 27, 2004

Most accrediation Processes Require input from the community.
This was on the NCATE site. I would imagine Liberal Arts and the University at Large could be considered community members.
See below from website

"Where should institutions place the notice asking for third-party comment on the quality of programs that prepare teachers and other school specialists? "

The U.S. Department of Education asked accrediting organizations to require accredited institutions to call for comment about program quality as evidence of accountability and outreach to graduates and the general public. The announcement should reach a public audience in what is considered the service area of the institution. Examples of where notices could be placed include daily and weekly newspapers, alumni magazines, and the world wide web site of the institution. You can send a copy of this notice to NCATE or keep a copy available in the exhibit room at the time of the BOE visit. "

Date: Apr 27, 2004

Emma, you are not correct in your assertion; Dr. Martray and the University requested the postponement in the scheduled NCATE review due to the reorganization of the colleges, not due to our teacher preparation programs being in trouble.

Date: Apr 27, 2004

what the senator/educator said is consistent with what i heard. in fact, i heard there was disagreement within the college of ed and psych over whether such a postponement was warranted. NCATE was in the midst of changing something about its policies/procedures and some felt the teacher education programs could have been reaffirmed under the previous standards.

Date: Apr 27, 2004

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Originally posted by: Senator/Educator
"Emma, you are not correct in your assertion; Dr. Martray and the University requested the postponement in the scheduled NCATE review due to the reorganization of the colleges, not due to our teacher preparation programs being in trouble."

Right. And pigs fly around my house, Senator/Educator.

Date: Apr 27, 2004

It would be interesting to compare the content of any NCATE's folio materials submitted and if the materials are those of current faculty members. Just curious.

Date: Apr 27, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Senator/Educator
"Emma, you are not correct in your assertion; Dr. Martray and the University requested the postponement in the scheduled NCATE review due to the reorganization of the colleges, not due to our teacher preparation programs being in trouble."

Right, Dr. Martray (who had been given the boot) and the University (whatever that means anymore) requested postponement in the scheduled NCATE review due to the reorganization of the colleges not due to our teacher preparation programs being in trouble. LOL.

It's late, and the above quote (prompting this response) is lame.