In an earlier thread I posted some thoughts on the personal liability of deans and chairs implicit in the Hanbury e-mail to the deans as well as his later "clarification." These administrators can be sued in the course of performing their official duties; whether they are defended by the university or have to seek personal counsel is at the whim of the president. This exposure is just another factor that must be weighing on administrators, many of whom must be extremely uncomfortable with the integrity of the Thames administration. Unfortunately, the departure of these individuals would mean that a majority will be replaced with less qualified persons--who in their right mind would presently apply to be a dean or chair at USM?
The following is similar to my earlier posting--remember that I am not an attorney so perhaps some of my points will stand correcting.
Hanbury's e-mail states, "Quite simply, regardless of what you or your misguided personal counsul think, the law means you take your orders from Dr. Thames and it is not up to you to decide to do otherwise." (Obviously, the lessons of Enron, etc. are lost on Mr. Hanbury, et al.) And continuing, "You are insulated from personal liability for doing so." I believe that that this statement is disingenuous.
Typically, a lawsuit names the university along with certain individuals, a dean and/or provost, for example. In defending itself, the university usually elects to defend the named individuals as well. However, if the university determines that the individual were acting outside the scope of his duties or illegally, the individual probably would have to retain counsul at his own expense. Even when it might appear that you were acting within the scope of your duties it would be foolish to assume that this university would defend you. Would the decision hinge on the facts or whether your are in or out of favor with Thames and his entourage? When making decisions that subject an administrator to legal exposure, it may therefore be prudent to seek advice from a personal attorney. Such occurrences are among the costly consequences when the level of institutional trust is virtually non-existent as is now the case at USM.
In his clarification, Hanbury says "My concern was that disclosing this information could have exposed the university to liability and did [italics mine] expose the deans to personal liability. The ominous part of this sentence is the "and did expose the deans to personal liability." Isn't it clear that Hanbury is saying that if a dean were to be sued over this matter, he or she will not receive legal assistance from the university? This warning is consistent with my previous paragraph.
If you are an administrator at USM and subject to lawsuits, the e-mail and clarification should make you very uncomfortable, particularly given the Stringer/Glamser episode.
Your concerns about any personal liability on the part of the dean's for complying with the FOI act are touching, but unfounded. First, contrary to what Hack Hanbury suggested, the information released by the two deans was not protected or excluded from public information. In fact, if there is a legal problem, it will be for the university for failing to comply with the Mississippi Open Records Act and for the administrators who ignored their responsibility to abide by the law. Second, both deans who released the names of individuals recommended for mid year raises had the permission from the individuals in question to release the names. Funny, seems like the only one trying to keep the names secret is Hudson.
quote: Originally posted by: They've all got to go "Your concerns about any personal liability on the part of the dean's for complying with the FOI act are touching, but unfounded. First, contrary to what Hack Hanbury suggested, the information released by the two deans was not protected or excluded from public information. In fact, if there is a legal problem, it will be for the university for failing to comply with the Mississippi Open Records Act and for the administrators who ignored their responsibility to abide by the law. Second, both deans who released the names of individuals recommended for mid year raises had the permission from the individuals in question to release the names. Funny, seems like the only one trying to keep the names secret is Hudson."
Word has it that Hudson's hands were all over the process in the CBED. Someone posted here earlier that he has several "coauthors" over there. Is that correct? I believe Doty is one of the 2 deans that have released the info? Will the facsen make it public now?
I think this is true. Hudson used the mid-year raises to reward his cronies and punish his enemies. Rumor is he is trying to do the same thing with the promotion and tenure process currently in the works.
The deans might be interested to know that they can get personal liability insurance through the AAUP. The USM site www.aaup-usm.org has a link to join AAUP, and AAUP will send you information about it. In fact, I bet many faculty are even now considering it!
there are lots of options for personal liability insurance. you can get a rider against your home insurance (if you own one). my wife and I have had it for years because of a position she held.
i'm not sure about the AAUP and what it can do for people. it doesn't apparently provide legal defense funds, except for what the local defense fund can raise, and the national office closed its case about USM, thus limiting a censure action. i've heard a number of faculty wondering about what the AAUP can really do.
quote: Originally posted by: lddad "i'm not sure what "nm" means. i do know some faculty are talking about a "real" union. numerous teachers in the area are a member of one."
quote: Originally posted by: They've all got to go "Your concerns about any personal liability on the part of the dean's for complying with the FOI act are touching, but unfounded.
The Deans' actions are probable not illigal and both have little chance of being sued by the faculty for violation of privacy as Hackbery implied. The point former Professor is making is that in the performacne of your duties as an administrator you can be sued. THEY (Hackberry and company) get to decide if your behaviors fit within your job responsibilites and THEY decide if you will be provided University council. If THEY decide to withhold legal services you are on your own and must bare the full legal expense personally.
A case in point, is Hackberry informed WDAM that the Deans' were personally liable for releasing the information to the Facutly senate. You nor I beleive their behavior was illigal but if sued, the Deans would have no university attorney. My guess is both Deans keep their jobs because some "nebulous outside attorney" and/or "misguided personal counsel" explained the situation to Hackbery and Thames.
The really frightening part of being an administrator is not the withholding of University counsel (Hackberry not the missing Gore) but having Hackberry defend you reputation and decisions in court.
Do public employees, particularly university faculty, have the legal right to form and join unions in Mississippi?
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Originally posted by: lddad "i'm not sure what "nm" means. i do know some faculty are talking about a "real" union. numerous teachers in the area are a member of one."
quote: Originally posted by: observer " My guess is both Deans keep their jobs because some "nebulous outside attorney" and/or "misguided personal counsel" explained the situation to Hackbery and Thames. "
Well, let me pull the straw out of my teeth here, but where I come from I think this is called "splainin' how the cow eats the cabbage".