FacSen does it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Date: May 7, 2004

FacSen does it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Date: May 7, 2004

Who was the 1 against, M.J. Norton?

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FACULTY SENATE, THANK YOU!!!

Date: May 7, 2004

Did they also take another no confidence vote?

Date: May 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Patti
"Did they also take another no confidence vote?"

Come on now - asking him to retire is stronger than a "no confidence" vote.

Date: May 7, 2004

go faculty senate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Date: May 7, 2004

Thank you faculty senate!

Date: May 7, 2004

Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You !!!!

Y'all are heroes!!

Date: May 7, 2004

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Date: May 7, 2004

RE: FacSen does it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by: Patti
"Ya know, I really need to plug my brain back in, being sick has short circuited it. Besides, another no confidence vote would send a message to Roy Klumb that even after what we saw as 'evidence' we still believe in what is best for our university, that Shelby Thames must leave."

Just my opinion, but telling the college board that he should step down seems inherently a no confidence message.

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quote:
Originally posted by:
"Just my opinion, but telling the college board that he should step down seems inherently a no confidence message."

And, Patti, hope you are feeling better!

Date: May 7, 2004

Amen, hallelujah!

Yes, this is MUCH stronger than a vote of "no confidence". This is just about the strongest message they can send.

Date: May 7, 2004

The Faculty Senate's vote should neatly dispose of Roy Klumb's assertion that the USM faculty would be pro-Shelby, if only they knew about the "crime."

Robert Campbell

Date: May 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: elliott
"Who was the 1 against, M.J. Norton?"

Yes, is this confidential information? Someone on the faculty senate voted for the man who is trying to dismantle the faculty senate???

(39 of you are my hero, though.)

Date: May 7, 2004

FACULTY SENATE, YOU ROCK!

To borrow Roy Klumb's words, "we'll get on down the road with you!"

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Date: May 7, 2004

FYI

The resolution mentions no confidence several times in a list of about 10 specific items as the reason for requesting the resignation. Interestingly, Billy Hewes (Sp?) was in attendance for part of the meeting, but left during a period when FS went into closed session and didn't hear the resolution read and the vote. No one spoke against the resolution so the negative vote may have been a proxy vote.

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quote:
Originally posted by: Otherside
"FYI The resolution mentions no confidence several times in a list of about 10 specific items as the reason for requesting the resignation. Interestingly, Billy Hewes (Sp?) was in attendance for part of the meeting, but left during a period when FS went into closed session and didn't hear the resolution read and the vote. No one spoke against the resolution so the negative vote may have been a proxy vote. "

Was there a negative vote? My understanding is that one person abstained from voting.

Shelby Thames and Billy Hewes were in attendance at the FS meeting today? WOW!

Date: May 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by:
" Was there a negative vote? My understanding is that one person abstained from voting. Shelby Thames and Billy Hewes were in attendance at the FS meeting today? WOW! "

Who said that SFT was there? Also, is there a link to the Faculty Senate resolution?

Date: May 7, 2004

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Date: May 7, 2004

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Date: May 7, 2004

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Date: May 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Otherside
" I should have explained that here I'm referring to the actual resolution and letter being on the Faculty Senate's web site. "

Those of you wondering why "ask to resign" rather than "remove." This is a typical face-saving gesture offered for these occasions. The Board knows exactly what the Senate means. When you see the full resolution you will also see praise for Thames as a researcher, scientist and teacher -- all true. And a welcome for his return to the ranaks of the faculty. But also language created to make "resignation" more palatable.

Date: May 7, 2004

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quote:
Originally posted by: truth4usm/AH
"Who said that SFT was there? Also, is there a link to the Faculty Senate resolution?"

My bad...just Hewes.

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: LVN
"PP, you're usually right on ... do you think SFT would actually go back to teaching? Could he make a step like that? "

I doubt it -- but there is a lot of unknown territory between what I doubt and what I know.

I think it is important that we not be seen to be petty and vindictive. In fact, it is important that we not BE petty and vindictive. Once Shelby is out of power he becomes just another faculty member -- a unique one, but a peer none the less.

If he wants to come back to the faculty, we should welcome him. Strategically speaking, if he believes that we will not welcome him it closes even the small possibility that he might find a way to save face.

But I am less intersted in strategy than I am in redemption. If we don't believe that even Dr. Thames deserves the possibility of redemption and a return to the community, then we are betraying our claims about what that community is about.

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: present professor
" I doubt it -- but there is a lot of unknown territory between what I doubt and what I know. I think it is important that we not be seen to be petty and vindictive. In fact, it is important that we not BE petty and vindictive. Once Shelby is out of power he becomes just another faculty member -- a unique one, but a peer none the less. If he wants to come back to the faculty, we should welcome him. Strategically speaking, if he believes that we will not welcome him it closes even the small possibility that he might find a way to save face. But I am less intersted in strategy than I am in redemption. If we don't believe that even Dr. Thames deserves the possibility of redemption and a return to the community, then we are betraying our claims about what that community is about."

Bravo! Great post!

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: present professor
" I doubt it -- but there is a lot of unknown territory between what I doubt and what I know. I think it is important that we not be seen to be petty and vindictive. In fact, it is important that we not BE petty and vindictive. Once Shelby is out of power he becomes just another faculty member -- a unique one, but a peer none the less. If he wants to come back to the faculty, we should welcome him. Strategically speaking, if he believes that we will not welcome him it closes even the small possibility that he might find a way to save face. But I am less intersted in strategy than I am in redemption. If we don't believe that even Dr. Thames deserves the possibility of redemption and a return to the community, then we are betraying our claims about what that community is about."

PP raises some very astute points. This website is being watched by EVERYONE - the media, the IHL, the community, faculty, students, parents... and perception is critical. Public opinion is being swayed but the public has a short attention span and is not very interested in understanding all of the intricacies of the decision-making that lies ahead. The biggest issue now is one of timing. Everyone wants action, wants this over, wants closure, wants healing, wants to move forward. Be careful though, no one is giving this as much thought as the people closely involved. Force a board decision too early without the choice of an acceptable alternative and we'll be in a worse situation.

Disappointment at the limited scope of the settlement of the Glamser/Stringer situation and more recently at the termination of Jack Hanbury stemmed from the unrealistic expectations that these events would result in the public toppling of the empire. So, they are not being viewed as the real successes they were. End Game is a process - a series of moves, not a single event. The Thames administration is weakened; it is going to be weakened more with the constant pressure by Faculty Senate, the IHL, the media. It is critical, however, not to be overly impatient. If there had been an emergency session of the IHL yesterday, and the IHL had asked Shelby to step down, with whom would he have been replaced?

The Provost and The VP of R&D are the only two internal players who could possibly step up from the perspective of the IHL board. Neither one is acceptable and either one could conceivably last a lot longer and do a lot more permanent damage than Shelby Thames, who will never get a second term. If the IHL terminated Shelby and replaced him with either Angie Dvorak or Tim Hudson, there would again be faculty outcry - with diminishing credibility. The Board and the Public would collectively throw up their hands and say there is no way to satisfy this faculty.

Don't buy the argument that the Provost or the VP would be offered the job only on an interim basis. These two individuals must go first. USM must be protected from the real power players who have poisoned the University from the inside while they vied with each other to ascend to Shelby's throne. A surprising number of the scandals can be traced to one or the other of them. Is Shelby ultimately to blame? Yes! Is he a terrible manager? Yes! His advisors, however, are responsible as well and they need to be swept out to ensure that they don't rise to the presidency. Shelby Thames must be forced to clean out the dome and re-fill it with qualified people.

Qualified academic leaders, identified through national searches by well-rounded search committees with input from elected university constituencies. The University of Southern Mississippi needs to reclaim and build its reputation. It must do so as a comprehensive university built on the foundation of shared governance, transparency in decision making, and a commitment to quality education, research, and service. It must do so with integrity. Then, when Shelby Thames does retire, the administration will be able to continue functioning, perhaps with an able administrator to act as interim while the Presidential Search is underway. It's not going to happen overnight, and it shouldn't.

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: They've all got to go
" PP raises some very astute points. This website is being watched by EVERYONE - the media, the IHL, the community, faculty, students, parents... and perception is critical. Public opinion is being swayed but the public has a short attention span and is not very interested in understanding all of the intricacies of the decision-making that lies ahead. The biggest issue now is one of timing. Everyone wants action, wants this over, wants closure, wants healing, wants to move forward. Be careful though, no one is giving this as much thought as the people closely involved. Force a board decision too early without the choice of an acceptable alternative and we'll be in a worse situation. Disappointment at the limited scope of the settlement of the Glamser/Stringer situation and more recently at the termination of Jack Hanbury stemmed from the unrealistic expectations that these events would result in the public toppling of the empire. So, they are not being viewed as the real successes they were. End Game is a process - a series of moves, not a single event. The Thames administration is weakened; it is going to be weakened more with the constant pressure by Faculty Senate, the IHL, the media. It is critical, however, not to be overly impatient. If there had been an emergency session of the IHL yesterday, and the IHL had asked Shelby to step down, with whom would he have been replaced? The Provost and The VP of R&D are the only two internal players who could possibly step up from the perspective of the IHL board. Neither one is acceptable and either one could conceivably last a lot longer and do a lot more permanent damage than Shelby Thames, who will never get a second term. If the IHL terminated Shelby and replaced him with either Angie Dvorak or Tim Hudson, there would again be faculty outcry - with diminishing credibility. The Board and the Public would collectively throw up their hands and say there is no way to satisfy this faculty. Don't buy the argument that the Provost or the VP would be offered the job only on an interim basis. These two individuals must go first. USM must be protected from the real power players who have poisoned the University from the inside while they vied with each other to ascend to Shelby's throne. A surprising number of the scandals can be traced to one or the other of them. Is Shelby ultimately to blame? Yes! Is he a terrible manager? Yes! His advisors, however, are responsible as well and they need to be swept out to ensure that they don't rise to the presidency. Shelby Thames must be forced to clean out the dome and re-fill it with qualified people. Qualified academic leaders, identified through national searches by well-rounded search committees with input from elected university constituencies. The University of Southern Mississippi needs to reclaim and build its reputation. It must do so as a comprehensive university built on the foundation of shared governance, transparency in decision making, and a commitment to quality education, research, and service. It must do so with integrity. Then, when Shelby Thames does retire, the administration will be able to continue functioning, perhaps with an able administrator to act as interim while the Presidential Search is underway. It's not going to happen overnight, and it shouldn't. "

And another very fine post. This is one of my favorite threads, at this point!

Date: May 8, 2004

Excellent analysis:

The various members of Shelby's henchcrew (and I'm counting Tim Hudson as one of them, for present purposes) have to go before he does, or there is the distinct danger that one of them will be allowed to take control of USM.

The fact that no one in the Thames administration will admit how Hanbury was canned, or why he was canned, is proof that they are running scared. Keep the pressure on...

As for Thames returning to the faculty, I suspect he has too enormous and fragile an ego to accept what in his view would be an enormous demotion, imposed under the most humiliating circumstances. And if he ordered deans to violate the law or be fired--as it's pretty obvious he did--a legitimate case could be made for dismissing him from his tenured faculty position, as well as from the presidency. But under these kinds of conditions, I do think it is best to allow him to resume faculty work.

Robert Campbell

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
"Excellent analysis: The various members of Shelby's henchcrew (and I'm counting Tim Hudson as one of them, for present purposes) have to go before he does, or there is the distinct danger that one of them will be allowed to take control of USM. "

Thanks for responding. Your comments are always insightful. Just a quick clarification. I'm not sure that Tim Hudson could (or should) be characterized as one of Shelby's henchcrew. He has developed a henchcrew all of his own. I am sure that his failed attempt for the presidency in 2002 obtained the Provost's slot for him as a compromise and perhaps it came with the promise that he would ascend with time. Angie was likely hired to combat that presumption with the promise to her that she would ascend instead. The whole affair stinks. The old adage is very true here, however - the enemy of our enemy is most definately not our friend.

Congratulations to your wife on her most recent academic achievement, by the way!

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: They've all got to go
"
Shelby Thames must be forced to clean out the dome and re-fill it with qualified people.
Qualified academic leaders, identified through national searches by well-rounded search committees with input from elected university constituencies. "

I agree with this completely. However, for those of us who watched the Dean searches bring in someone like Pood--who is clearly not up to the position and has alienated very many people--it is hard to imagine this is possible. I will however, keep trying.

Date: May 8, 2004

All Got to Go,

You've put it more clearly:

Hudson is a competing bad actor, with his own (presumably smaller and less visible) henchcrew, and no more acceptable than Thames.

Robert Campbell

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
"
...As for Thames returning to the faculty, I suspect he has too enormous and fragile an ego to accept what in his view would be an enormous demotion, imposed under the most humiliating circumstances. And if he ordered deans to violate the law or be fired--as it's pretty obvious he did--a legitimate case could be made for dismissing him from his tenured faculty position, as well as from the presidency. But under these kinds of conditions, I do think it is best to allow him to resume faculty work.
Robert Campbell
"

It would be very interesting if this happens while USM has a building with Shelby's name on it. It is policy at some universities that buildings are named for the person ONLY AFTER retirement or death to avoid having embarrassing scandals such as the one USM may soon face.

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
"All Got to Go, You've put it more clearly: Hudson is a competing bad actor, with his own (presumably smaller and less visible) henchcrew, and no more acceptable than Thames. Robert Campbell"

Hudson is completely discredited. But He isn't stupid. He knows it is unlikely he will have a constituency for anything but an interim position -- and he will be under close watch. He will want that interim to be good -- not because he sees himself as the permananent President, but because he wants to get out of here with his skin and professional reputation. The interim offers that for him -- but not if he screws it up.

For my money -- if waiting for the right person to emerge means a delay in the Board's action then I'd opt for Hudson. He will not be in a positoon to do serious damage. I suspect he will pretty quickly get rid of what is left of the cabal and I would alsmosyt bet as a gesture he'd offer imeediate reinstatement to Glamser and Stringer. Only speculation, but not completely uninformed speculation.

There is zero possibly that if he does a good job as interim he will become a viable candidate. He can't talk fast enough to get himself into that door.

Date: May 8, 2004

Surely the board would not be so obtuse as to put A. Dvorak in as interim! Hudson, I'm more concerned might be considered a viable option.

Maybe this is a naive question, but why wouldn't Joe Paul be a good interim possibility? I know it would be very unusual to put a student affairs VP in the presidency, but it is an interim position. Joe enjoys wide respect from all quarters, and I believe could maintain while we do a search. Am I being naive on this?

It is so hard to be patient.

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Magnolia
"Surely the board would not be so obtuse as to put A. Dvorak in as interim! Hudson, I'm more concerned might be considered a viable option. Maybe this is a naive question, but why wouldn't Joe Paul be a good interim possibility? I know it would be very unusual to put a student affairs VP in the presidency, but it is an interim position. Joe enjoys wide respect from all quarters, and I believe could maintain while we do a search. Am I being naive on this? It is so hard to be patient."

Probably not a viable candidate for the long term job and it would mean stepping out of a job he has loved and held for many years. Do we have an interim VP for student affairs until he comes back?

Good Question but I think unlikely.

Date: May 8, 2004

What about Myron Henry? Correct me if I'm wrong, but was he not provost of this university, and another? We have plenty of experienced faculty to put into position as interim other than Dvorak or Hudson.

just my .02

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: cindy
"What about Myron Henry? Correct me if I'm wrong, but was he not provost of this university, and another? We have plenty of experienced faculty to put into position as interim other than Dvorak or Hudson.
just my .02"

Cindy and I must think alike. Myron Henry certainly has the credentials. However, he is devoted to democracy and is very sensitive to any appearance of a "power Play". I believe he would have to deal with the accusations that his fine leadership of Faculty Senate(FS) was just a power play to get Shelby's job. I do not believe he would do anything that could call into question the hardwork and painful decisions FS went through the past two years.

Just my $0.25 worth.

Date: May 8, 2004

Jim Hollandsworth for president. Somebody with a long history here, who knows how a university works.

Date: May 8, 2004

i second.

quote:
Originally posted by: foot soldier
"Jim Hollandsworth for president. Somebody with a long history here, who knows how a university works."

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: foot soldier
"Jim Hollandsworth for president. Somebody with a long history here, who knows how a university works."

There you go! Another excellent educator with the credentials, and who knows the meaning of shared governance.

I wonder how many more can be named. We will need a provost and a VP also.

Date: May 8, 2004

All good ideas, with good intentions.

BUT, USM must not go "within."

USM deserves no less than Mississippi State and Ole Miss routinely get, and that is a bona fide (not rigged like our last one) NATIONAL search.

Sadly, I IHL has shown us CLEARLY where they stand in the last two "searches" at USM. In the search that gave us Flemming, he was the lesser of the five evils. One, whom Carl Nicholson want "in" more than life itelf, was a man as bad as or worse that SFT. Before you clear your throats, yes, he was that bad.

So, we ended up with a Prez we were not sure we wanted who proceeded to make minor mistakes, but more manifestly "redistibuted" faculty salaries to some nebulous "technology upgrade", the results of which we have never seen.

Faculty salaries quickly fell ten thousand below Mississippi State and eight below Ole Miss. SFT has done NOTHING to close the gap.

It took very little misdeeds by Horace to enrage the IHL, especially Carl, so Horace is gone.

We all know what sort of "search" we got last time.

USM must hold the IHL accountable to give South Mississippi the same level of excellence they give Ole Miss and MSU, and not a list of unqualified candidates, or "done deals" , or dictators.

I am sure USM has been "punished" by this IHL, and it is time for S. Mississippi to rise up and say: "we are not going to take second class citizenship anymore."

Give us a REAL search and let faculty opinion count, like the recent searches up in Starkville.

DC Berry outlined the fine search that yielded a new VP for Research at MSU, who had 550 scholarly articles. Why can't USM get the same?

Flemming was chastised for even suggesting the IHL does not, and he did know proper the proper "red bloodedness" diplomancy of the ole boy network on the IHL.

Give us better.

Date: May 8, 2004

Newgirl,

I didn't realize that USM has a building with Thames' name on it. That would compound his humiliation were he to return to the faculty.

The custom of not naming buildings for people until they have retired is a sound one. But even it doesn't guarantee that embarrassment will always be avoided. Clemson has a building named after a man who embezzled large sums of money from the university--and it was named long after he died.

Robert Campbell

Date: May 8, 2004

I am in full and complete agreement with having a national search. What has been clear about Shelby from the beginning is that his long association with this university (and almost no others) is part of what limits his vision. However, I still think that Hollandworth would be a terrific interim president.

Date: May 8, 2004

I too assumed that cindy was thinking of an interim Pres. to be in place while the NATIONAL SEARCH is underway. We are all on the same page on this issue.

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
"Newgirl,
I didn't realize that USM has a building with Thames' name on it. That would compound his humiliation were he to return to the faculty.
The custom of not naming buildings for people until they have retired is a sound one. But even it doesn't guarantee that embarrassment will always be avoided. Clemson has a building named after a man who embezzled large sums of money from the university--and it was named long after he died.
Robert Campbell"

For you out-of-towners, Newgirl was referring to the Shelby Freland Thames, Polymer Science Research Center, paid for with federal pork $$$, thanks to some senior senators in Washington, D.C.

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Otherside
" For you out-of-towners, Newgirl was referring to the Shelby Freland Thames, Polymer Science Research Center, paid for with federal pork $$$, thanks to some senior senators in Washington, D.C. "

Yep, I used to see that name every day when I worked there. There's even a plaque with his "likeness" on it inside. I'm fairly certain that the money for the bldg. (built in the early 90s, I believe) was funnelled through the USDA. Congressional earmarks or "marks" is the official term for them (though "pork" is so much more descriptive!).

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Greedy
"In the search that gave us Flemming, he was the lesser of the five evils. One, whom Carl Nicholson want "in" more than life itelf, was a man as bad as or worse that SFT. Before you clear your throats, yes, he was that bad. So, we ended up with a Prez we were not sure we wanted who proceeded to make minor mistakes, but more manifestly "redistibuted" faculty salaries to some nebulous "technology upgrade", the results of which we have never seen. "

Was that the guy who looked like he should've been hosting an informercial? From Beaumont, TX? I remember him, though can't remember his name. I think he was eventually implicated in some scandal at his old university.

Just to take up for Fleming for one moment, he did upgrade USM's technology (got rid of the horrible BULL system!) and put in a "wireless" system across campus, one of the first of its kind at the time, I believe. I remember that it was written up in The Chronicle.

Another tidbit concerning the Polymer Science bldg....apparently, the PS folks and the old OTR folks did not get along. The PSRC wasn't even serviced by OTR...PS had its own version of OTR and its own technicians. I'll never forget the first time I had a problem with my computer while working there, and I went to call OTR (as I had done at all my previous USM jobs) and was told that they didn't service that bldg! The Polymer Palace is an ecosystem unto itself...and I'm sure it's still that way.

Date: May 8, 2004

I agree that a national search is in the best interest of USM but as others have noted, there is no one within the inner circle that can be promoted up. However, we must have someone to lead the university until a national search could be accomplished. I don't know whether these two fine men would return but I would love to see Don Cotton and Andy Griffin return as President & Provost. Both did outstanding jobs and I believe would be supported by the university community. I would also support Myron Henry who has done a masterful job as President of Faculty Senate.

Date: May 8, 2004

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Date: May 8, 2004

Truth4

Yes, that's him. Lamar. Scandal, Yes. But, there was a scandal before, right as he was wanted by Nicholoson.

We escaped the bullet on that one.

I will let some one else post the gentleman's name.

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Greedy
"Truth4

Yes, that's him. Lamar. Scandal, Yes. But, there was a scandal before, right as he was wanted by Nicholoson.

We escaped the bullet on that one.

I will let some one else post the gentleman's name."

This is getting confusing. You are not talking about Henry, right? You are talking about the Texas candidate who would have benn as bas as Shelby.

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Otherside
" This is getting confusing. You are not talking about Henry, right? You are talking about the Texas candidate who would have benn as bas as Shelby. "

Lamar Univ. is in Beaumont TX and Dr. Henry has never taught there

Date: May 8, 2004

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Date: May 8, 2004

Steve Doblin would be a good nominee for Prez

Date: May 8, 2004

Another name that would be excellent for an interm president is...well...there are two people...

1. Jim Williams, the recently retired USM VP for the Gulf Coast. He had previously been the Chancellor of Auburn University at Montgomery. And he is very well respected by the university and the Gulf Coast community.

2. Jim Hollandsworth...another great choice as interm president. A man everyone whom has ever met him would attest that he is a man of his word, a man with a vision of what a university of excellence should be and a person who is respected by all...current dome inhabitants being the exception.

Date: May 8, 2004

I think that Dr. Anthony Harris, former Assistant to the President when the Dome Gnome ate his first mushroom under the Tin Sun, should be on anyone's short list for the FUTURE USM President. The Massacre is fresh in our minds of course, but Little Boots pulled out the long knives against Dr. Harris two years ago in a move that was nothing short of political assassination. He's rested and ready! Bring Integrity back to Hardy and 49th.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

Date: May 8, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Greedy
"Truth4 Yes, that's him. Lamar. Scandal, Yes. But, there was a scandal before, right as he was wanted by Nicholoson. We escaped the bullet on that one. I will let some one else post the gentleman's name."

Rex Cottle. He left Lamar University (Beaumont, TX) in 1998. I believe he was a former dean of the bidness school at Ole Miss.

Date: May 9, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
"Newgirl, I didn't realize that USM has a building with Thames' name on it. That would compound his humiliation were he to return to the faculty. The custom of not naming buildings for people until they have retired is a sound one. But even it doesn't guarantee that embarrassment will always be avoided. Clemson has a building named after a man who embezzled large sums of money from the university--and it was named long after he died. Robert Campbell"

the old building with his name on it, facisimile inside and I've been told somewhere a place for his statue pales next to his new "thrown" rooms in the new polymer building. the guys I've talked to in HIS department cannot believe the amount of money thrown away on building a palace for he and his cronies. Just the special ones were singled out for the luxury suites. With the secretaries having offices bigger than any of the profs in the department. Went by on Friday, couldn't believe what I saw for their offices.

If you want to see state funded avarice at its worst go to the new section of Shelboo's building, next to where the old theater was and is now rumored to become a private parking lot for SFT associates. Maybe there is bright side, the Sports Department could use the offices as basketball courts after Shelby is dismissed.

Date: May 9, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: They've all got to go
" I'm not sure that Tim Hudson could (or should) be characterized as one of Shelby's henchcrew. He has developed a henchcrew all of his own. "

You got the nail on the head. A vicious band of loyalists, a fifth coulmn in our mist. Thier takeover may be worst than Thames as they are more subtle and devious.

Date: May 9, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Brutus
" You got the nail on the head. A vicious band of loyalists, a fifth coulmn in our mist. Thier takeover may be worst than Thames as they are more subtle and devious."

I don't believe at this point they are fooling anybody.

Date: May 9, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: present professor
"I don't believe at this point they are fooling anybody. "

Present Professor, I wish you were right. Do you have a list or could you identify roles? I think they are buried deep in the structure. Divorak's appear fairly obvious.

Date: May 9, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Brutus
"Present Professor, I wish you were right. Do you have a list or could you identify roles? I think they are buried deep in the structure. Divorak's appear fairly obvious."

I know a only a very few and of those few even they seem to have aquired some very deep doubts about his ability to preside here . . .

I suppose my assertion, however, is based more upon the broader faculty distrust of Hudson which runs extremely deep and includes virtually all of the most influential faculty leaders, most all of whom will be in place next year on critical committees. I cannot see Hudson enacting dramatic changes in the next year without common agreement among those leaders -- all of whom at this point will go back to their faculties to consult because we have learned the importance of that the hard way. Nor can I see those folks coming around to trust him. His ambitions are too well known and there is great distrust in what he will do to achieve them.

I'm certainly not campaigning for the guy -- I'd rather see someone else. But if the Board asks me (Fat chance!) whether it is Hudson or no change at all -- I'll take the odds with Hudson.

Date: May 9, 2004

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Originally posted by: Present Professor
" -- I'll take the odds with Hudson. "

oh -- very important. On an interim basis only. And I'd probably encourage the Board to extract that agreement from him in exchnage for getting the job (not that they will listen).

Date: May 9, 2004

Googler is correct!