Keeping the pressure on during the summer

Date: May 11, 2004

Keeping the pressure on during the summer

Date: May 12, 2004

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Date: May 12, 2004

I'm going to bump this. Surely somebody has some ideas??

Date: May 12, 2004

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Originally posted by: foot soldier
"I'm going to bump this. Surely somebody has some ideas??"

Not many yet -- we need to stay mobilized and keep the Board running. Soon we will know who is around. Most the the faculty committees will be on alert and ready to respond to anything that happens that we can track. We cn hope that perhaps some of the friends we have who work in the Dome and adjacent areas can keep sharing what they learn. And ironically enough the so called PUC might very well be one agent to keep us all aware of what is going on as I believe they plan to meet through the summer. At least that is what it sounded like today.

Date: May 12, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: present professor
We cn hope that perhaps some of the friends we have who work in the Dome and adjacent areas can keep sharing what they learn. And ironically enough the so called PUC might very well be one agent to keep us all aware of what is going on as I believe they plan to meet through the summer. At least that is what it sounded like today. "

I was puzzled by that. School is out as of Friday. Are the student members and those on 9 month contracts going to be available for meetings next week (and thereafter)?

Which leads me to question#2 -- how angry were those people who drove up from the Coast in this miserable weather only to sit in on that farce of a meeting?

Date: May 12, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: LVN
" I was puzzled by that. School is out as of Friday. Are the student members and those on 9 month contracts going to be available for meetings next week (and thereafter)? Which leads me to question#2 -- how angry were those people who drove up from the Coast in this miserable weather only to sit in on that farce of a meeting?"

Yes -- that is an issue that came up. The group came up with the idea of having a listserv so that they can continue to communicate and "meet" online as well as in realtimespace. I was heartened by two things:

1. The group wanted to deal with substantial issues right away (Thank you David)

2. They did not want to be subdivided into fac/staff/student groups

3. They wanted to meet right away next week and not wait . . .

I think the early part of the meeting was definitely programmed by the administration, which clearly wanted to get out of there without anything of substance happening. But they lost control of it almost the minute that Wanda finished her presentation. I suspect that is going tobe the pattern.

I wonder if the Deans (or Dean reps) will be at each meeting?

And where was Elliott?

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quote:
Originally posted by: present professor
" Yes -- that is an issue that came up. The group came up with the idea of having a listserv so that they can continue to communicate and "meet" online as well as in realtimespace. I was heartened by two things: 1. The group wanted to deal with substantial issues right away (Thank you David) 2. They did not want to be subdivided into fac/staff/student groups 3. They wanted to meet right away next week and not wait . . . I think the early part of the meeting was definitely programmed by the administration, which clearly wanted to get out of there without anything of substance happening. But they lost control of it almost the minute that Wanda finished her presentation. I suspect that is going tobe the pattern. I wonder if the Deans (or Dean reps) will be at each meeting? And where was Elliott? "

The Listserv idea...that kills transparency. I hope they don't hold "listserv" meetings. State agencies and commissions are not allowed to do that, because of the Open Meeting Act (the "sunshine law"). Even though this committee is not required to follow the OMA requirements, it might be a good idea if they used it as a model.

If the goal is transparency, listserv meetings will not help.

Date: May 12, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by:
" The Listserv idea...that kills transparency. I hope they don't hold "listserv" meetings. State agencies and commissions are not allowed to do that, because of the Open Meeting Act (the "sunshine law"). Even though this committee is not required to follow the OMA requirements, it might be a good idea if they used it as a model. If the goal is transparency, listserv meetings will not help. "

It is a problem I thought of also. We will have to see how it works. The idea of the listserv wasn't to replace the public meetings but to enable them to enhance long distance communication.

Would you suggest something like this Board? On the other hand, how can they have continuous conversations with each other without other folks butting in?

You undoubtedly have a better handle on this than I -- may you should touch base with DJ so he can raise it .. .

Date: May 12, 2004

Two things impressed me about the early reports coming out of the meeting of the PUC: 1. Why was Farskilloo allowed to sidetrack the meeting from the things people really wanted to discuss? He's only one member, and a long-standing Thames supporter at that. Does he get to dictate the agenda of the meeting? And 2. Why was friskilloh allowed to object to "rehashing old issues," when he hasn't personally "hashed" any issues at all before--being interested only in the fact that Shelboo gives him extra money for the band and contemptuous of any other issues that affect the faculty as a whole?
If this kind of thing continues (as it will), then this whole idea of the PUC (wonderful acronym) will very quickly show itself to be the crock of (odorless) whitewash we have always known it was. Shelboo should be forced to deal with the senate and the staff council and the graduate council. If he can't/won't do that, let him eat cake. This idea of the PUC is a ridiculous diversion from the real problem--there ain't going to be no "healing" until the cancer is cut out. We need a clean sweep!

Date: May 12, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: What the hey?
If he can't/won't do that, let him eat cake.

Or, as NightChalker so beautifully put it, "let him make paint!"

Date: May 12, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: LVN
"Or, as NightChalker so beautifully put it, "let him make paint!""

Tom got at least two strong challenges -- I predict he will find it hard going. There are people on the committe who are not from the School of Music and are not about to be intimidated by him . . . .

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quote:
Originally posted by: present professor
" It is a problem I thought of also. We will have to see how it works. The idea of the listserv wasn't to replace the public meetings but to enable them to enhance long distance communication. Would you suggest something like this Board? On the other hand, how can they have continuous conversations with each other without other folks butting in? You undoubtedly have a better handle on this than I -- may you should touch base with DJ so he can raise it .. . "

I know that state agencies and commissions aren't even allowed to discuss issues via email or listservs. You run the danger of conducting business behind closed doors when you do that. It's ok to use email to facilitate meeting times, places, or setting agenda.

It is NOT ok to discuss issues through email and listserv. Such discussions should take place ONLY at announced meetings.

Again, I am talking about state agencies and commissions, but OMA laws should be a template for the PUC to follow.

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David, I hope the PUC will develop some kind of procedural rules.

Here is the link for "Robert's Rules of ORder" which is followed by most groups of which I have been a part.

http://www.rulesonline.com/