HA Saucier article: SFT 'owns' AKL?

Date: May 16, 2004

HA Saucier article: SFT 'owns' AKL?

Date: May 16, 2004

I can't rule out the possibility that Thames has something on Lucas. Though others who are much closer to the situation would be in a far better position to know.

But I think it much more likely that Lucas has accepted the Administrator's Code of Silence: Don't reveal the misdeeds of other administrators in public, for that will generate Bad Publicity, and undermine confidence in the institution.

Unfortunately, Lucas is in a situation now where far more harm will be done to USM if he doesn't start airing some dirty laundry in public.

But is he able to recognize that?

Robert Campbell

Date: May 16, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
"I can't rule out the possibility that Thames has something on Lucas. Though others who are much closer to the situation would be in a far better position to know. But I think it much more likely that Lucas has accepted the Administrator's Code of Silence: Don't reveal the misdeeds of other administrators in public, for that will generate Bad Publicity, and undermine confidence in the institution. Unfortunately, Lucas is in a situation now where far more harm will be done to USM if he doesn't start airing some dirty laundry in public. But is he able to recognize that? Robert Campbell"

You are right here Bob. We are hurtingbadly and the pain is going to get deeper -- I think if Aubrey hasn't beenconducting private conversations he needs to be doing so.

Aubrey?

Date: May 16, 2004

Aubrey reads this board.

Date: May 16, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Greedy
"Aubrey reads this board."

I tried to call Gene and Giulia today to thank them but no one answered the phone and there ws no answering service. I hope someone who knows them can convey the thanks from many of us on the faculty for their wiritngs.

Gene has been the first to really raise the question of a> if it ain't broke why fix it? If it is broke then what is the problem? and (b) why aren't Miss or State getting any of this?

We teach heavier loads, have bigger classes, make less money than either -- why do we need fixing?

And why do so many powerful folks in this part of the state attack a university that has been growing, getting better, and manifesting succeeding despite the being the stepchild?

Date: May 16, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Greedy
"Aubrey reads this board."

Then, sir, with all due admiration and respect, please don't stand by and see the destruction of what you devoted your professional career to build. If you stepped up, there are strong people on campus and in the community who would rally around you to help deliver a coalition. The talk about you doing this permeates almost every conversation and has for months. Your silence is baffling. If you can't do it yourself, then please call for the financial audit that will take them down.

Date: May 16, 2004

Dr. Lucas, now is your time. You have to take a stand, or it will soon be too late.

Date: May 16, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: elliott
"Dr. Lucas, now is your time. You have to take a stand, or it will soon be too late."

Dr. Lucas: it is time and past time . . . .

Date: May 16, 2004

Please, Dr. Lucas -- you can prevent more good people from suffering if you speak up. You will be remembered as a courageous man if you intervene.

Date: May 16, 2004

Some speculation:

Dr. Lucus had the strong support of both Payne brothers - the ones who funded the Payne Center at USM. One of them, Jim I think, was the name being considered for the IHL Board. When Haley Barbour didn't appoint Payne after all, maybe Aubrey knew that he could not muster the votes on the IHL Board to make a difference.

Date: May 16, 2004

Dr. Lucas can make a huge difference simply by speaking out and thus lending support to all the faculty who have been putting their careers on the line to stand up for what is right at USM.

Date: May 16, 2004

Cleansweep: "...Dr. Lucus had the strong support of both Payne brothers - the ones who funded the Payne Center at USM. One of them, Jim I think, was the name being considered for the IHL Board. When Haley Barbour didn't appoint Payne after all, maybe Aubrey knew that he could not muster the votes on the IHL Board to make a difference. "

This is not logical because you, inadvertantly, mix time periods, comparing apples and oranges.

The "personnel matter" Lucas denied knowledge of happened in April of 2002, while the Payne Bros. event happened last month.

AKL's telling the truth back in 2002 has nothing to do (post hoc post procter hoc) with going against Mr. Payne in April of 2004.......two years later.

Just a friendly FYI.

Aubrey cost us, but I seriously doubt even he could see Armaggeeden.

Date: May 16, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Insider
"The "personnel matter" Lucas denied knowledge of happened in April of 2002, while the Payne Bros. event happened last month."

April 2002? Is there more than one "personnel matter?" I think Gene Saucier was referring to the one from the 1980s that led to Shelby's removal as Executive VP.

Date: May 16, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Insider
"Cleansweep: "...Dr. Lucus had the strong support of both Payne brothers - the ones who funded the Payne Center at USM. One of them, Jim I think, was the name being considered for the IHL Board. When Haley Barbour didn't appoint Payne after all, maybe Aubrey knew that he could not muster the votes on the IHL Board to make a difference. " This is not logical because you, inadvertantly, mix time periods, comparing apples and oranges. The "personnel matter" Lucas denied knowledge of happened in April of 2002, while the Payne Bros. event happened last month. AKL's telling the truth back in 2002 has nothing to do (post hoc post procter hoc) with going against Mr. Payne in April of 2004.......two years later. Just a friendly FYI. Aubrey cost us, but I seriously doubt even he could see Armaggeeden. "

NO, I'm afraid that you misunderstood my post - I should have referenced Present Professor who said something like "it's time and past time" referring to Dr. Lucus coming forward during the current crisis. There have been several people who have suggested that Dr. Lucus should have come forward with an offer to take over the presidency at USM and put an interim team together while national searches could be conducted over the next year. I speculated that in the time frame from the first week in March (after the professors were suspended) through the first week in April, he might have considered doing that with anticipation of support from then leading IHL candidate Jim Payne. After the first week in April but before the hearings, the new IHL board members were named and Jim Payne was not one of them. At that point, Aubrey might have known that he would not have been able to garner the votes on the Board to be a viable candidate in ousting Shelby. As I said at the beginning of my first post, this is pure speculation. I bring it up again only to clarify that you misunderstood and were, perhaps, a little hasty to correct me.

Date: May 16, 2004

Cleansweep