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Klumb, and Nicholson, and Ross aren't that concerned with what damage Thames has done, but they certainly aren't going to sit by and allow Templeton to destroy State's athletic department.....Klumb says it all at the bottom.  He cares for MSU because he went there....


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  • MSU athletic director's contract renewal challenged

    By Todd Kelly
    tkelly@clarionledger.com

    Two state College Board members say they're against rubber-stamping a contract renewal for Mississippi State University athletic director Larry Templeton at the board's monthly meeting Thursday.

    Roy Klumb of Gulfport, board president, and Scott Ross of West Point, head of the intercollegiate athletics committee, expressed displeasure in the direction of their alma mater's athletic department under Templeton, who has served in his current position since 1987.

    Templeton's four-year contract, which pays him $167,000 annually, expires June 30.

    Templeton oversees a department that offers 13 intercollegiate sports and has a $23.2 million budget.

    MSU president Charles Lee, in his second year of the job, has recommended Templeton's contract be extended through 2008. Typically, board approval of personnel recommendations is a formality.

    "I can say concern about Mississippi State's athletic department in my seven years here is steadily growing," said Klumb, who began his one-year term as board president this month. "Last month, we had the three Mississippi State alums on the board desiring Larry Templeton be removed. When you have that sort of negative feeling developed over a 12-year period, what's that telling you?"

    Klumb and Ross had been joined in their opposition by Carl Nicholson of Hattiesburg, whose term expired last month. Four new members joined the board this month.

    It takes a majority vote by the 12-member board to approve or reject personnel recommendations.

    Of the current board, only Klumb and Ross have spoken out against Templeton, said board member Amy Whitten of Oxford.

    Klumb and Ross specifically cite MSU's ongoing NCAA infractions case (the school's second in eight years) and questioning whether enough is being done to broaden the school's athletic fund-raising base.

    Lee and Templeton would not comment.

    Gary Blair of Brookhaven, president of the Mississippi State University Alumni Association, said he supports extending Templeton's contract.

    "My sense is that there is a vocal minority that is against Larry, but that the majority (of MSU alumni) have no problem with Larry," Blair said. "I know there are some people out there, who, for whatever reason, have more of a personality conflict (with Templeton) than anything. I think some of that minority is somewhat jealous Larry doesn't consult with them.

    "As far as job performance and what's he done since he's been at Mississippi State, Larry's record is really good," Blair said.

    Under Templeton, MSU's athletic department has finished in the black for 17 straight years. The school has made $50 million in facility improvements since 1988. A $5.5 million upgrade of the Shira Fieldhouse is scheduled to begin by year's end. The men's basketball program won the SEC championship last season, while the school attracted national attention last December with the hiring of Sylvester Croom, the first African-American head football coach in SEC history.

    While acknowledging there have been accomplishments during Templeton's tenure, Ross said he frequently hears from Templeton's critics. Their biggest complaint? Templeton is only concerned with satisfying the athletic department's biggest financial contributors.

    "I hear it regularly," Ross said. "In order not to be beholden to any single group, you obviously have to expand the base (of contributors). I've been fairly vocal about it since I've been on the board. But I don't think it's a concern shared by the (MSU) administration, now or before."

    Hal Parker of Bolton is president of the Bulldog Club, the largest fund-raising group for MSU athletics with about 7,000 members. The Bulldog Club contributed about $8 million last year, Parker said.

    Parker is familiar with opposition to Templeton, although, like Blair, he believes it's far from the majority of fans Ross suggests.

    "I feel the majority of the Bulldog Club is very supportive of the job Larry has done," Parker said. "It would be hard for me to put a number on it, but the number of people who've said something to me — and I hope people would speak out — is very, very small."

    Like Parker, Blair suggests the College Board should leave personnel matters to the school presidents.

    Whitten sounded a similar message.

    "It would take a lot for me to vote against a president's recommendation," Whitten said. "At this point, I don't have any particular information that's going to cause me to vote against this. I'm open to discussion. Anytime two members are that concerned about something, I want to know what it is and why. I can remember some times when we had some questions, but in the four years I've been on the board I can't remember when we went against a personnel recommendation."

    Klumb knows some will say that he and Ross are trying to micromanage the athletic department. Klumb cites a recent case at the University of Colorado, where the school's board of regents stepped in to investigate allegations of rape involving football players and recruits.

    "The issue is what kind of control do we have," Klumb said. "Do we step in when we smell the smoke or do we wait until the house is burning down. To me, it's better to err on the side of caution. I've had people tell me I'm 100 percent wrong on this issue and people tell me I'm 100 percent right on this issue. My response is that I'm a third-generation graduate of the university. I'm here to try to improve it for all of us."



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    Finding myself at a loss after reading Mr. Klumb's quotes, I can only say: What in good gravy is this man thinking?

    Does anyone believe he carefully chose his words so as to twist the knife he's firmly put between anti-Thames folk?

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    Originally posted by: tomcat

    "The issue is what kind of control do we have," Klumb said. "Do we step in when we smell the smoke or do we wait until the house is burning down. To me, it's better to err on the side of caution. I've had people tell me I'm 100 percent wrong on this issue and people tell me I'm 100 percent right on this issue. My response is that I'm a third-generation graduate of the university. I'm here to try to improve it for all of us." "


    MEMO TO ROY KLUMB:  USM IS BURNING DOWN!  PLEASE PUT OUT THE FIRE NOW BEFORE ALL WE HAVE LEFT ARE ASHES AND A "VIRTUAL" UNIVERSITY!




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    Austin Eagle

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    " Klumb said. "Do we step in when we smell the smoke or do we wait until the house is burning down. To me, it's better to err on the side of caution."
    "


    Pardon my language, but what a f***ing hypocrite. I hope someone at the IHL meeting reads his own words back to Mr. Klumb when the matter of Thames continuing presidency is on the table.

    AE

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    Flash Gordon

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    I guess having alums on the IHL Board affects how concerned they are about a school. I'm shocked!

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    Robert Campbell

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    Up to this point, I thought that Klumb might support Shelby Thames because they were both reactionaries who wanted to restore a McCain-like regime.


    Now those  on this board who argued that Klumb was really interested in advancing Mississippi State's interests at the expense of USM's have been proved right.


    Time to spread the word: Klumb and his allies on the College Board want USM to fail, and chose Thames to insure that USM would fail.


    Robert Campbell


    PS. Could someone put up a link to that Clarion-Ledger story?



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    USMbacker

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    Originally posted by: Robert Campbell

    ". Time to spread the word: Klumb and his allies on the College Board want USM to fail, and chose Thames to insure that USM would fail. Robert Campbell PS. Could someone put up a link to that Clarion-Ledger story?"


    http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040519/NEWS01/405190373/1002


    I have to disagree with your assessment.  This simply shows that Klumb is a megalomaniac.  It certainly doesn't help MSU to have a board member dictating who the president can retain. 



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    Robert Campbell

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    Klumb can be both a megalomaniac, and biased in favor of Mississippi State.


    Look where his stated priorities are.  He thinks he's helping Mississippi State.  Does he think he's helping USM?


    Robert Campbell



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    Austin Eagle

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    Based on the information provided in this story, it appears that AD Templeton has done a far better job running the MSU athletic programs than Thames has managed during his reign of terror at USM. I now wonder exactly what critera Mr. Klumb deems most critical in assessing the need for changes in leadership.

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    Originally posted by: Robert Campbell

    "Klumb can be both a megalomaniac, and biased in favor of Mississippi State.


    And a total idiot.  I join the rest of you in amazement and fury.  This is about as inappropriate as it gets for an IHL member.  What would it take to get him removed? Only the governor or can the rest of the board vote him out?



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    Invictus

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    Originally posted by: Austin Eagle

    "I now wonder exactly what critera Mr. Klumb deems most critical in assessing the need for changes in leadership."


    How many times do I have to keep playing this broken record? Thames is providing exactly the kind of leadership that Roy Klumb wants at USM. Klumb wants USM to be dragged down. He wants USM's reputation tarnished, dented & shot full of holes.

    The same "leadership" at MSU or Ole Myth would be unacceptable, because the board's vision for those institutions is not the same as its vision for USM.

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    truth4usm/AH

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    Originally posted by: LVN

    " And a total idiot.  I join the rest of you in amazement and fury.  This is about as inappropriate as it gets for an IHL member.  What would it take to get him removed? Only the governor or can the rest of the board vote him out? "


    That's "idot," LVN. 


    And Klumb's definitely the King of the Idots. 



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    USMbacker

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    Originally posted by: Robert Campbell

    "Does he think he's helping USM? Robert Campbell"


    Unfortunately I think he does. In my assessment, Klumb honestly believes all he says. He has no hidden agenda, nor does he want to drive USM out of business. He is an example of the worst kind of undergraduate "product". I assume he attended school to get a degree, but had no real interest in knowledge. In his world a degree is a hurdle to overcome; an entrance ticket into the business world. He has no interest in the arts or humanities and sees no real need for them. He would prefer all universities follow an economic development model.


    I am not employed by USM, but I am a professor at one of the "other" schools. I fear for education in the entire state. State and Ole Miss faculty ridicule Thames, but truly fear our college board. The board members have no real knowledge of academic life and are far too heavily biased toward bachelor's level graduates of the system. We have a desperate need for ex presidents, ex deans and even lowly ex profs on the board. Until that happens the state university system will continue to lurch from one crisis to the next. Southern is truly suffering under a tyrant and clearly he must be removed. However, I really believe you do yourselves no favors by antagonizing board members. Do you honestly believe that picking fights with Klumb will help? He plays a powerful role in the current board and ONLY the board can give you relief from Thames....



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    Old Librarian

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    Well Friends - It's Good Old Boy Mississippi Politics - as usual !  We can only hope that a few of the old IHL Board members and all of the new members will take Mr. Klumb to task.  Perhaps Mr. Klumb's credibility will be questioned by  board members and they will not be so quick to fall into lock-step with any Klumb proposed agendas.  We need board members to be sensitively reponsive and responsible - neither quality that I see in Mr. Klumb at this point.


    DITTO:  HELP IHL - WE'RE BURNING DOWN HERE AT USM!



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    Robert Campbell

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    USMbacker,

    You said:

    However, I really believe you do yourselves no favors by antagonizing board members. Do you honestly believe that picking fights with Klumb will help? He plays a powerful role in the current board and ONLY the board can give you relief from Thames....

    Do you think there is any chance that Roy Klumb could be convinced to withdraw his support of Shelby Thames? I can see some of Klumb's current allies on the Board being persuaded, but that's a different issue. Klumb has gone in front of the media and done Thames' dirty work for him (as in his televised accusation that Frank Glamser and Gary Stringer had committed a crime).

    If Klumb isn't swayed by Bobby Chain's blast at Thames, Dvorak, and Ryan for dropping the ball on the Trent Lott Center...should we still believe that he thinks he is helping USM?

    Robert Campbell



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    USM Backer,


    For a very brief period I, too, thought it might be counterproductive to attack Roy Klumb.  Then I started paying close attention to his public statements -- especially his notorious appearance on the TV program -- and became convinced that he is so absolutely prejudiced, so completely one-sided and biased, that the only way to deal with him was to expose and ridicule his extreme bias.  I have always tried to treat the other IHL members with respect, but I think Roy has forfeited any reason to expect respect from anyone who truly cares about USM.



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    brutus

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    Originally posted by: USMbacker

    "   It certainly doesn't help MSU to have a board member dictating who the president can retain.  "


     


    The bad news for us is that Klumb does not like us at USM.  The really bad news for Mississippi State University is, that he likes them.  With his help we may destroy two great Universities. 


     


    This thread made me role with laughter and sadness for higher education in Mississippi



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    Robert Campbell

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    quote:
    Originally posted by: USM Sympathizer

    "USM Backer,
    For a very brief period I, too, thought it might be counterproductive to attack Roy Klumb.  Then I started paying close attention to his public statements -- especially his notorious appearance on the TV program -- and became convinced that he is so absolutely prejudiced, so completely one-sided and biased, that the only way to deal with him was to expose and ridicule his extreme bias.  I have always tried to treat the other IHL members with respect, but I think Roy has forfeited any reason to expect respect from anyone who truly cares about USM.
    "


    I agree with USMSympathizer here. The only hope, in dealing with Roy Klumb, is to isolate him from the rest of the Board and discredit him. He is wholly committed to his destructive path, whatever his exact motives might be.

    Robert Campbell

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    Is it true that Klumb asked to be on the Game and Fish Commission board, but no slots were available, so Fordice's consolation prize was the College Board?


    I've heard this rumor more than once.



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    quote:
    Originally posted by: Robert Campbell

    "I agree with USMSympathizer here. The only hope, in dealing with Roy Klumb, is to isolate him from the rest of the Board and discredit him. He is wholly committed to his destructive path, whatever his exact motives might be."


    I fear that once you factor in the board members who already agree with Klumb & the ones that simply don't care about any issue that involves USM, there isn't even a significant minority left on the board to "isolate" Klumb in any meaningful way.

    Further, I'm not altogether convinced that Klumb's views aren't very, very similar to those of Governor Barbour.


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    Robert Campbell

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    Invictus,

    All that's needed, to induce the Board to drop Thames, is a few members who are more easily embarrassed by bad publicity than Klumb is.

    Robert Campbell

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    "All that's needed, to induce the Board to drop Thames, is a few members who are more easily embarrassed by bad publicity than Klumb is."


    Wouldn't it require a majority vote?

    For that matter, if Klumb chose as presiding officer not to recognize Virginia Newton to speak, then it would take a majority vote to override his decision, would it not? Klumb could actually marginalize any board member he wanted to "punish" by not recognizing them in meetings or by putting an arbitrary time limit on how long they could speak.

    I've seen that done on other boards of trustees.

    There is not a majority vote on the IHL board that will go against Thames or Klumb, no matter how "embarrassing" things get. Some of those dudes & dudettes have no shame. They are self-consumed by the political power they have bought themselves.

    Now, were the governor to step in & intervene, we'd have an accreditation crisis similar to the one Bilbo caused in the '30s.

    (Off to revisit my "Centennial History of the Southern Association of Colleges & Schools. Maybe there's hope after all, although that hope would probably clobber State & Ole Myth, too.)

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    Robert Campbell

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    Invictus,

    I'm told that Thames was chosen by a 7 to 5 margin on the Board (a public vote, to make a show of unanimity, brought it up to 11 to 1, but 7 to 5 more accurately reflects his level of support behind the scenes).

    In 1930 Bilbo ordered the firings of 3 college presidents, various other administrators, and well over 100 faculty members at 5 colleges in the state system. (There was a Board in charge of them then--I guess the present IHL Board was brought in as a replacement for the old, discredited one after Bilbo finished his term in office). Anyway, Bilbo had 179 people fired and replaced with his political supporters, and that's what brought SACS down on the entire system.

    If Barbour just had Thames fired, I doubt SACS would care.

    Robert Campbell

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    Serenity

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    Originally posted by: Invictus

    " There is not a majority vote on the IHL board that will go against Thames or Klumb, no matter how "embarrassing" things get. "


    Coming from aging memory, forgive me if it's not exact.


    "God grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change, the strength to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference."


    GET IT?  What's in our control right now?



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    truth4usm/AH

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    Originally posted by: Serenity

    " Coming from aging memory, forgive me if it's not exact. "God grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change, the strength to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference." GET IT?  What's in our control right now?"

    The same thing that's always been in our control...our voices, our pens, and our minds (if we're lucky!).

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    Invictus

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    "
    I'm told that Thames was chosen by a 7 to 5 margin on the Board (a public vote, to make a show of unanimity, brought it up to 11 to 1, but 7 to 5 more accurately reflects his level of support behind the scenes).
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    I've heard the same story. It may also be interpreted as meaning that there are 4 people who are willing to go either way about Thames as long as it makes the board look "unified."

    If Barbour just had Thames fired, I doubt SACS would care."


    Don't bank on it. If the governor intervened, SACS would interpret it as "undue political influence."

    On the SACS front, I'm actually encouraged that Klumb was quoted using the word "micromanage" -- that would imply undue board influence in what is essentially a campus-level decision. A micromanaging board is something that SACS loves to tangle with. Ask Auburn.

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    Greedy

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    YES

    That is exactly what happened.

    Fordiced had promised his ole 'buddy' Roy Bob a job on the Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks Commission.

    When the slots got filled, he asked Roy if he would take the IHL.

    THIS IS NOT A JOKE. It is the saddest happenstance in USM history. We all know the rest of the story.

    BTW, it was widely reported that,upon being informed by Kirk that Roy was appointed to IHL, Roy said with a straight face: "What is IHL?"

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    Originally posted by: Greedy

    "YES That is exactly what happened. Fordiced had promised his ole 'buddy' Roy Bob a job on the Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks Commission. When the slots got filled, he asked Roy if he would take the IHL. THIS IS NOT A JOKE. It is the saddest happenstance in USM history. We all know the rest of the story. BTW, it was widely reported that,upon being informed by Kirk that Roy was appointed to IHL, Roy said with a straight face: "What is IHL?""


     


    The next time Roy appears on TV, I would love it if the interviewer asked him about this. 



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