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Been There Seen It

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Dear Board Participants

I am watching this board from afar and have a hard time understanding where it is going. The contributions have dropped off the last week in content,and the board seems to be looking for itself in all the wrong places.

I have seen a lot about Exit 13 on this board, but the posters seem to forget why this was book was written by Piliawaski. It was not abuse of power that was central to the tale, rather the abuse of power is support of racism. Shelby has the ghosts in his closet (though I've said before that I like him as a person and a teacher) that have barely been touched on. His department is full of bigots, the university is full of bigots and things have not changed since exit 13. This board apparently accept that one of the biggest Shelby bigotted friends was your grand marshall. Everyone who has ever had his class can read the message sent by Dr. Thames and USM about Racism when they see who was grand marshall, you ain't far from Exit 13. Charlie M has never met a "black boy" he didn't try to break or a pretty young WHITE girl he didn't want to bed.(I've been there, got the bad grade and seen it) Don Cotten and Aubrey Lucas are a couple of good ole boys in the eyes of 40% of your student body. You are defending two professors, one who does research on dead white poets, another on live white bikers (this really inspires brotherhood) and your most eloquent spokesmen study the consumate bigot author of Mississippi (Faulkner for those who may not know better)or the great history of the deep south (at least he acknowledges racism).

Sorry but you're beginning to sound like a bunch of whiney white folks. You have left behind 40% of your student body with the waxing on about the good old days of education in the south. Remember how recently the 40% has come in.

If any other Brothas or Sistahs see if differently, please post. I feel as if I am a minority of 1 with my few posts on this board.

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Gossip Monger

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Originally posted by: Been There Seen It

"Dear Board Participants

I am watching this board from afar and have a hard time understanding where it is going.
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I just wonder what you've been smoking.

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Angeline

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You know, I too have been amazed by the inability of most (not all) of the posters on this board to see the bigger issues at play here.  I have emphasized the economic issues (such as the rampant privatization of services going on right now and the effects on staff persons and students), but though appreciated by some, most posters (and once in awhile myself) seem more concerned with the latest "rumor."  I have accordingly become bored with this board.


Racism is a huge issue on this campus because it is institutionalized.  Most posters seem to avoid the obvious racism of the present powers-that-be because they don't think its nice to call somebody a racist unless that somebody calls for actual violence against another group of people.  Then there are those odd Mississippians who do not think racism exists anymore.  I have often wondered if the quotes and insinuations by the Klumb/Hewes/SFT crowd about "cleaning house" and "restoring pride" have as much or more to do with the changing makeup of the student body as with whiney "liberal" professors, though I have experienced first hand how the term "liberal" is used by many as a derogative to mean "likes black folks."  For many right-wingers hearing the word "racist" causes them to go into fits of exasperation at how they are being "insulted" and treated unfairly - remember Trent Lott?


On a much earlier post I pointed out councilman's Hewe's judge father and his cooperation with the MS Sovereignty Commission in the 1960s, and the public views of the councilman and his state senator son leave little to the imagination.  I always thought that the end of the Big Redneck Shelboo would be a recorded racist comment released to the press - I still think that may happen.  So, Get Real, I hear you man.  Now, what are we gonna do?



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Gossip Monger

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Originally posted by: Angeline

"You know, I too have been amazed by the inability of most (not all) of the posters on this board to see the bigger issues at play here. ...I have accordingly become bored with this board.
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Huh?

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ColorBlinded

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Been There,


Examine this board and you'll find that although racism is acknowledged in several topics it is never accepted as truth on the Yellow Brick Road. The search for minds, hearts, and courage seldom yield to a search for fairness for all, just those with glittering CV's.


Been There, I personally don't believe that you've been smoking anything, have an athletic scholarship, or have an academic admission score lower than other posters. You made your intelligent voice known and be prepared for reactions from spite to indifference. There are legitimate questions to be answered.


Where is the minority report on SFT? Why was Dr. Harris one of SFT's first power moves, what can be learned from that event, and where was the community dissent for that arrogance of power? When Pood spewed dribble on improving minority affairs (hiring, equity, diversity in programs) during his pre-hire interview, why did no Caucasian faculty respond after the black student asked the question?


BT, shooting at marbles when there are boulders obstructing the path is sport for a few on this board. Don't fear their rebuttals. Their bullying is equivalent to SFT's except they want to "share" his power. Look at the results of their power in pre-Thames days. See any difference? The study of Faulkner in MS should not make you wince, but questionable revisions on RPW's fluffer for white impotence should make you pause as it reveals racist pedagogy and white privilege at its best (see www.slate.com and RPW "All the King's Men" review).


Regardless of a criticism of your grammar or a spurious assault of your intelligence (as is often done with the Jackson State and community college references) I would advise all voices that envision USM as what it could be to continue dialogue upon this board.


NEVER SURRENDER--NEVER FORGET



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Robert Campbell

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I read Exit 13 just recently and hardly overlooked the references to racism in it. In my last contribution to Liberty and Power I followed Piliawsky in quoting the 1970 letter from M. M. Roberts that used the phrase "clean house" to imply restoring segregation and Jim Crow. I also mentioned that the football stadium is named after Roberts. (What would it take to get the name changed? Action by Roy Klumb and the Board? Over most of their dead bodies, I suppose...)

Since I don't live in Mississippi I'm not well-placed to judge the racial attitudes of the Thames administration, but such visible gestures as firing Anthony Harris and removing the portrait of Oseola McCarty don't speak well for Shelby and crew.

The second half of Piliawsky's book is a generalized Leftist indictment of American society that, IMHO, takes the USM of the early 1970s as far more typical of American universities than it was at the time.

Robert Campbell

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Wuz Up

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RC:


Are you labeling ALL of the Administration as racists?



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Eagle

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As a USM student when the stadium was dedicated I attended the opening game/dedication. Roberts was boo'ed by the students.

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Robert Campbell

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Wuz Up,

Some posters previously on this thread may be claiming that the entire USM administration is racist. I'm not.

On this question, I really have no idea about most individuals in the administration, one way or the other. The suspicious moves I mentioned were made by Shelby Thames himself.

Meanwhile, Roy Klumb would have to be even Klumber than I thought if he doesn't realize what M. M. Roberts used to mean by "cleaning house."

Robert Campbell

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ColorBlinded

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RC is one of the steadfast voices of professionalism (not essentialism) on this board. However, one doesn't need a Ph.D. to see the evidence of a vocal minority in power at USM. While many members of the USM family harmoniously thrive under Hardy Street lights, there are a few that assert racial privilege under the disguise of "intellectual acuity" and scholarship emblematic of a "world class" university.


Remnants of yesterday's racism at today's Southern Miss are scant examinations of contributions in Arts and Letters by black Americans except by a few committed professors whose names aren't lauded upon these pages, employment searches that sift through apt non-white candidates to hire other (international, sexual orientation, disabled) areas of the university communtity, and curt rebuffs from faculty to student that invalidate documented research from other scholars that question the skewed racial worldview taught as fact in seminars.


From complaints of harassment by Muslim students to the uneasy co-existence on this campus of students and faculty of different ethnic populations, let's not feign naivette concerning the two USM's in the realm of the Dome.


2pennies 



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Cossack

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I do not know by what standard this suggested racism at USM is being measured. I have taught at four other institutions in the South. USM is the least racist campus of all I have experienced. Twenty-five percent of the students I teach are African American. This is the first place I have taught where African American students have the same grade distribution as whites. It is the first place I have taught where the top student in class was African American about 25% of the time. African American students and white students form voluntary study groups in most classes, which I did not observe elsewhere. I would not be at all surprised that the critics posting here are correct about those administrators they mention as racist. Given how they treat people in general, it is hard for me to tell. I tend to think they treat most everyone equally, with contempt and arrogance. Certainly things will not be better for faculty, staff, or students of any race, gender, or nationality if SFT is president.

The reason that most of the faculty who are vocal and battling the administration are older and have been here though earlier presidents (mostly Aubrey Lucas) is that they are tenured and eligible for retirement. They also have more invested in USM without as many opportunities to leave. It is not that they are longing for some earlier period when society and the world were different. I would also like to point out that many of us participated in the battle for civil rights and equality when you got your butt thrown in jail for speaking out. I think we are best served by focusing on the damage that SFT is doing to the entire university regardless of his motives. It will not matter if SFT is driven by the highest of motives of liberty, freedom, equality, motherhood, and God, what he is doing is destroying USM and the sooner he gone, the better USM will be.


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IWW

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What's happening at USM DOES need to be understood in a broader context than merely a local rumble over academic freedom and shared governance. The orginal poster on this thread is correct; the events at USM have not occurred in a political vaccum.


However, it's counterproductive to see the SJT/Roy Klumb/Billy Hewes axis in strictly racial terms. Racism is part of it, certainly, and we need to be alert to its manifestations (what was this about Oceola McArty's portrait being removed?) 


However, what's going on should be understood in terms of the global triumph of what is being called "neo-liberalism" by everybody from Paul Krugman (see "The Great Unravelling") to Noam Chomsky, Arundhati Roy and Cornell West. Racism is part of this, but more important is its concerted attempt, on every front, to reduce all human values to market values.


This last is something that is clearly driving the Troll's valuation of  "economic development" as the highest goal of the university and the rationale for whatever damage he wants to inflict on academic freedom and freedom of speech. As with the IMF and the White House, in other words, so with the IHL and the Dome.


The first key to resisting the encroachments of neo-liberalism's is to recognize it for what it is. It's a tricky and smart rhetoric, not merely, as it might seem at USM, the ignorant rantings of ignoramuses. Rather we must understand those rantings as what political theorists call a "multivalent discourse," that is, a publicized body of ideas that speak to the self-interest of diverse social groups, groups that might often appear to have mutually exclusive self-interests.


That's happened here. The pro-Shelby economic and social "elites"--it's a relative term-- have used the typical American respect for conformity and hard work to turn a considerable mass of Mississippi laypeople--black, white, middle-class, working-class--against the state's academics, whose work, traditionally, has been to confer social mobility upon those very groups! Hence, the Shelbistae's repeated attempt to cast SJT as a hero of "traditional American values."  


Neo-liberalism is tricky, however. And it never acts in the interests of anyone but the social elite. At USM it appears to bash intellectuals for the purposes of making academics more like Joe and Jane SixPack: "productive," authority-respecting conformists (" respect for authority" one of Billy Hewes' themes in his commencement remarks) who never question the supposed "right" of their managers to manage. In fact what neo-liberalism always wants is to totally structure the field of ideas, to deprive Joe and Jane SixPack of even the possibility of knowing about alternatives, hence making their subjection to power ever more ironclad and airtight. Where better place to strike then, than the University? What better principle to tout, then, than obedience to authority?


Perhaps the most important thing to recognize about the neo-liberals is that they are essentially revolutionary in nature. That is, they are not negotiating for influence within an existing system. Rather they are seeking to destroy the existing system and replace it with one of their own (I'm borrowing from Paul Krugman's reading of Henry Kissinger's first book, on revolutionary France; it's in the intro to The Great Unravelling)


With these things in mind, the second key to fighting neo-liberalism is to ORGANIZE to resist it, and to the very death, if need be, and on a number of fronts too: ideological, political, legal and cultural. Unfortuntely, with the very slender exception of the fact that Fire Shelby itself is something of a counter cultural venue, that is something I don't see happening here. As grandiose as this may sound, Fire Shelby should recognize itself for what it is, part of the worldwide movement for social justice. The time may have come for people to identify themselves, off-line, in those terms and begin to act  in concert for closely defined social goals: to organize as a political faction; to produce and disseminate a coherent political critique of the "Bubba-ocracy" personified by Thames, Klumb, Barbour and company--this is an election year after all; and, perhaps; to pursue legal redress, but this time with plaintiffs, not defendents, and plaintiffs who are dedicated to the struggle for social justice too, which Frank and Gary, as much as I respect them, were not.


I apoplogize for being so windy.


Solidarity! No Quarter!


 


 


 


 


 



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