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indy eagle

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Why doesn't Concerned Students organize a sit-in of Thames' office in the dome? Take back the dome! It would be a great protest!

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truth4usm

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Sounds like a great idea...while you're at it, ask him why he refuses to talk to faculty members, the ones who teach his "most prized possessions" every day.

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I had advocated a sit in at the next SGA meeting.  They would be speechless. 



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word on the street

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with his history a love-in might be more appropriate ... (please note sarcasm.)



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present professor

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"with his history a love-in might be more appropriate ... (please note sarcasm.)"


A great idea -- but be prepared. When some of us took over the Dean of Arts office in 1990 at RIT we held it for four days. On the fourth day they cleared the campus and brought in a 40 member fully armed swat team and gave us a choice.


The GOOD thing about this is that the decision to call in the team was made by the Dean -- who was fired within two weeks. Less than three months later the President followed him into obscurity. The decision to take up arms against an unarmed group of students was so horrifying that the power brokers in Rochester was uniquely embarrassed.


Sometimes if you can get power to expose itself people actually do see the malevolence that sometimes lurks below . . . .



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usmstudent

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The day that Shelby sent out the e-mail (you remember the one?) which invited all concerned parties to come by his office to chat, I was quite tempted to make an appointment.  I am embarrased to say that I chickened out because of the mean-spirited reputation he has.  I was told that he intimidated the most professional and strong of people, so I could see me, the little student who is his "highest concern" going in and voicing my opinion.  I think that if a group of people were to attempt to meet with him, there would be a greater impact.  I would love to know if any plans are arranged.


 



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foot soldier

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On the fourth day they cleared the campus and brought in a 40 member fully armed swat team and gave us a choice.
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Some of us are old enough to remember Kent State.

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messy

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Confidence definately increases with the more people have. ~usmstudent--I completely felt the same.  I would love to organize & participate in a sit-in.  How many people do you think we could gather?

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USM Sympathhizer

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For whatever my opinion is worth, my guess is that a sit-in would not be your best move at this point.  It would give SFT a PR bonanza; it would allow him to play his "disobeying authority" card and make the protestors look like unreasonable lawbreakers rather than reasonable folks with a genuine grievance who are willing to work through legal channels.  This kind of protest may become necessary later, especially if there is any sense that the IHL process is rigged, but I would counsel against it at this point.  Remember that Ronald Reagan generated huge public sympathy when, as governor, he vowed to take California's college back from people who were taking over college buildings.  This was at a time when many more people in the general public probably sympathized with the protestors' cause than presently sympathize with yours.  You are living in a state in which taking over a public space would be considered beyond the pale; I speak as someone who lives in a similar state.  I am not saying that the idea should not be considered at some point; I am simply advising that it be kept in reserve for now.

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Hellgirl

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Originally posted by: usmstudent

"The day that Shelby sent out the e-mail (you remember the one?) which invited all concerned parties to come by his office to chat, I was quite tempted to make an appointment.  I am embarrased to say that I chickened out because of the mean-spirited reputation he has.  I was told that he intimidated the most professional and strong of people, so I could see me, the little student who is his "highest concern" going in and voicing my opinion.  I think that if a group of people were to attempt to meet with him, there would be a greater impact.  I would love to know if any plans are arranged.
 
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Sit-in or not, I think it might be a really good idea for a group of students to try to make an appointment with Shelby with the intention of presenting him with a statement of grievances on behalf of concerned students or from us as individuals.

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Hellgirl

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Also, I am actually inclined to agree that right now is not the time to organize a sit-in, although it may be an option worth looking into at some point in the future, depending on how events unfold.

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usmstudent

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I do see your points about the sit-in being detrimental, but I agree with the idea of the list of student grievances.  Thames needs to understand that he IS affecting the students of USM, though he claims us as his "prized possessions."  The faculty senate has tried, with the open letter, to inform him of specific problems.  He felt the need to announce that he did not read that letter (though we all know that he must have scanned it, at the least).  If a group of students were to schedule an appointment with him to list our problems with the current administration, he would have almost no choice but to listen.   



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USM Sympathizer

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"I do see your points about the sit-in being detrimental, but I agree with the idea of the list of student grievances.  Thames needs to understand that he IS affecting the students of USM, though he claims us as his "prized possessions."  The faculty senate has tried, with the open letter, to inform him of specific problems.  He felt the need to announce that he did not read that letter (though we all know that he must have scanned it, at the least).  If a group of students were to schedule an appointment with him to list our problems with the current administration, he would have almost no choice but to listen.   "


 


This sounds, to me at least, like a good idea. If you treat him VERY respectfully (no matter how you may really feel inside) and if he treats you with disdain or condescension, you will have won an important victory.  It might be good to invite a reporter or two (especially from the student newspaper) to accompany you.  Witnesses are important in cases like this, especially since SFT seems to have a tendency to put his own "spin" any ball tossed in his direction.  The important thing is NOT to lose your temper or be overtly confrontational; the more you can let him reveal himself as the authoritarian personality he seems to be, the better.



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USM Sympathizer

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PS: You may want to check with others (especially faculty) on campus to see if this idea is a good one to pursue at this time.  It's hard for me to imagine what the downside may be, but there may be one I am not thinking of.

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ideagal

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The meeting of a group of USM students with Thames, with reporters present, is just FANTASTIC.


 


I doubt he will agree, but the the students could inform the media that he refused to meet, or put "restrictions" on it.


 


Go for it.



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