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Angeline

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There is another more accurate statistic that the Administration could have touted besides the supremely misleading "number of freshmen accepted by USM" as an attempt to shape the discussion of future enrollment numbers.  That would be: the number of students billed thus far for fall enrollment - if that number is up over last year then it might more accurtely be said the USM's enrollment is improving.  However, word has it that something on the order of 400-500 fewer billings for fall enrollment went out this month as compared with this month last year.  Freshman numbers might actually still be up (who knows, until they all accept or not), but clearly overall enrollment numbers seem to be headed in a negative direction.  Whether or not Shelby can be blamed for that is another story (and much harder to quantify), but since he touts a "growing enrollment" as proof of his success as president then he asks for the attention these numbers are rightly getting on this board.  And, no, I cannot reveal my source for the billing numbers.


This also goes to the heart of the earlier postings about the PR Department employees: when information is selectively chosen to represent the pre-ordained interpretation of the Administration in the face of much countervailing evidence, then all involved in promoting that story are equally to blame for generating a false picture of USM.  Emphasize the "good" if you must, ignore the facts at your peril.



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lddad

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i can't speak to billing on current students.  freshmen won't get billed until they register and most don't register until the summer preview sessions. 

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truth4usm

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"Typical garbage that is posted all too often on this board.  Fall bills are not sent out until July."

Ah, GIGO...a breath of canned air, you are. 

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Angeline

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"Ah, GIGO...a breath of canned air, you are.  "

GIGO: Hey, thanks for correcting that bit of information!  When I saw your post, I called my source, and they said: "what I didn't tell you that was for summer enrollment?"  So, right you are, and my MAJOR BAD for not questioning my source in more detail.  Won't happen again.

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GIGO

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Originally posted by: truth4usm

"Ah, GIGO...a breath of canned air, you are.  "

Thanks, just trying to get the facts straight.  As you will notice below, I was correct and I do appreciate Angeline's nice response.  I also apologize for the tone of my post.  I'm sure there are many well meaning posters on this board. 

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present professor

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Originally posted by: truth4usm

"Ah, GIGO...a breath of canned air, you are.  "


GIGO -- part of the reason for "garbage" speculation is how little we know because the administration hides it. The "speculation" you so scorn is the usual conversation of a village trying to understand what it knows, to put out information and hopefully, to confirm or disaffirm. Does it come with opinions? Of course -- it is hard to control a community of individuals, some of whom tend to jump to conclusions more quickly than others. That is why we share the information, in the hope that someone with more knowlege can clarify or correct.


Of course you wouldn't know about that. You wouldn't know about the exchange of letters between faculty senate and President Thames in which the President simply lies through his teeth about the availablity of information the Faculty Senate (as is its right) has requested. If you are so interested in "the truth" you should be equally interested to address the release of half truths, the distortions or the outright lies that come from Mader's office.  Most of us on the outside are less to fumble around tryingto find out the truth and if sometimes we get a little paranoid or perhaps a trifle hysterical then you'll just have to pardon us because it was the President who began this bloody little war by implying that the reason he was here was to make a lazy faculty work harder. That assumption is the foundation for every move he has made vis a vis the faculty -- to gain absolute control over it.


When he took office two years ago I remember a number of older heads shaking and saying: "he's going to go after tenure." Even I wasn't that paranoid then.


Since then we have seen one move after another aimed at weakening tenure on a number of simultaneous fronts. The loss or delimiting of tenure is absolutely the best way to put a faculty under the administration's thumb.


I'm sure this is an absolutely wasted exercise on you but perhaps there are a few other folks out there who might still be on the fence and I hope perhaps some of them might find this persuasive.


One more thing: I'll put my almost 30 years in and out of academia and of having worked and studied at seven different institutions over the course of my career against whatever else you've got against it. Those years have taught me we arne't reading tealeaves here: the signs are as clear as if they were etched by the hand of God in stone. This guy is the worst kind of autocrat: he is sincere. He believs in what he is doing. He believes he can reshape the university -- he believes he is on a mission and god help anyone who gets in the way.


That's why he doesn't need to talk to anyone outside the cabal. HE knows what is best. He doesn't need us to contribute our opinions. He doesn't need our ideas. He certainly doesn't need our criticism. He only needs the us to shut up and march in the same direction.


Southern Miss to the Top -- my eye.



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Flash Gordon

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Another good thing to look at is dormitory vacancies. Last fall we had empty rooms the first week of school. Usually some students are put in motels for a week or so until things settle down. The claim of an 8% enrollment growth seemed very strange at the time. Now we know why.

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present professor

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Originally posted by: Flash Gordon

"Another good thing to look at is dormitory vacancies. Last fall we had empty rooms the first week of school. Usually some students are put in motels for a week or so until things settle down. The claim of an 8% enrollment growth seemed very strange at the time. Now we know why."

Didn't we have the two new dorms open in the fall? Could that have accounted for not as much overflow?

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Flash Gordon

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"Didn't we have the two new dorms open in the fall? Could that have accounted for not as much overflow? "


Quite possible, but some of the dorm space was being used as offices because of the construction north of the HUB. I believe the long term plan was to rotate housing out of use for renovation. What's new besides McCarty Hall?

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lddad

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usually? 

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lddad

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usually in the context of hotel rooms.  i remember that years ago.  i don't think that is done now.

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present professor

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Originally posted by: Flash Gordon

" Quite possible, but some of the dorm space was being used as offices because of the construction north of the HUB. I believe the long term plan was to rotate housing out of use for renovation. What's new besides McCarty Hall?"

just McCarty, I guess . . . it is pretty big though. I like the way you are thinking though -- there are lots of ways to get a view of numbers if we can't get them directly. These are pretty creative.

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Flash Gordon

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"usually in the context of hotel rooms.  i remember that years ago.  i don't think that is done now."


Students who fail to reserve a room sometimes are put up in a motel for a few days until the no shows are sorted out. This past fall Ole Miss had a large number of students in that situation. They were up about 100 in new freshmen, and we were down over 200. With our new dorm we may have a bit of excess capacity until dorms are closed for renovation.

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