stringer/glamser retirment papers

Date: Apr 27, 2004

stringer/glamser retirment papers

Date: Apr 27, 2004

Perhaps filing retirement papers before an actual termination is final protects the retirement?

Date: Apr 27, 2004

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however, he's a fairly accomplished thinker. I'd be surprised if he acted against the profs. without having enough support to back his decision. "

Nothing I've seen supports this claim. I can't imagine that Thames was thinking at all.

Date: Apr 27, 2004

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Originally posted by: confused
"The article in the Hattiesburg unAmerican didn't make sense. I don't understand why the two profs. would take steps to file their retirement papers. Thames gave them the option to retire early or to be fired. The profs. said they weren't going to retire if they're reinstated. It's also my understanding that someone can't get their retirement if they've been fired. It doesn't make sense, just like the whole situation. Also, leading into the hearings tomorrow it's important to realize a few things. Thames is known to be overbearing, thuggish and a micromanager; however, he's a fairly accomplished thinker. I'd be surprised if he acted against the profs. without having enough support to back his decision. "

All they have done is START the process of filing retirement papers, which is a very lengthy process. If you read the article, they both say that they will stop the process if they are reinstated. What's so confusing about this? They are trying to take care of themselves financially. I say, good for them!

Plus it's one thing to be a thinker and its quite another to be a leader. Thames has shown no ability to lead a university whatsoever. A leader needs followers, and he has shown no ability to come to consensus with his "followers" on anything. Read Anne Wallace's article in today's Student Printz (link on another thread) to see a superb description of Thames' (non) abilities as a leader.

Date: Apr 27, 2004

if profs. are fired, they won't qualify for retirement benefits. If they're reinstated, they claim they won't retire, so what's the purpose of filing the paperwork???
I don't see the logic there.

Date: Apr 27, 2004

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Originally posted by: confused
"if profs. are fired, they won't qualify for retirement benefits. If they're reinstated, they claim they won't retire, so what's the purpose of filing the paperwork??? I don't see the logic there. "

I don't know the particulars, but I can't imagine that they won't qualify for retirement benefits even if they are fired. They have still put their "time" into the system, regardless of how they leave the university. People are fired all the time, yet still retain their benefits. The two aren't necessarily related.

Date: Apr 27, 2004

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Originally posted by: truth4usm
"I don't know the particulars, but I can't imagine that they won't qualify for retirement benefits even if they are fired. They have still put their "time" into the system, regardless of how they leave the university. People are fired all the time, yet still retain their benefits. The two aren't necessarily related."

If they file for retirement BEFORE they are fired then they can still collect retirement benefits.

They didn't take Thame's offer to retire because they don't believe they were guilty -- in other words, they wanted a hearing. Remember -- the are contesting Thame's action. If they were guilty, you don't think they'd have taken the easy way out when it was offered?

Date: Apr 27, 2004

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Originally posted by: truth4usm
"Plus it's one thing to be a thinker and its quite another to be a leader."

If SFT thought more he might be a better leader.

He didn't think that the terminations of Glamser & Stringer would cause terrible turmoil? What planet does he live on? The simple fact is he didn't think about the consequences of his actions, because he has never ever really been held accountable for his actions in the past. There is always someone to bail him out like Roy Klumb who mistakes impulsiveness for decisive action, thuggish posturing for strength, spin for truth, and wealth for wisdom.

Date: Apr 27, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: confused
"The article in the Hattiesburg unAmerican didn't make sense. I don't understand why the two profs. would take steps to file their retirement papers. Thames gave them the option to retire early or to be fired. The profs. said they weren't going to retire if they're reinstated. It's also my understanding that someone can't get their retirement if they've been fired. It doesn't make sense, just like the whole situation. Also, leading into the hearings tomorrow it's important to realize a few things. Thames is known to be overbearing, thuggish and a micromanager; however, he's a fairly accomplished thinker. I'd be surprised if he acted against the profs. without having enough support to back his decision. "

I assumed that the retirement story was leaked by the Thames machine as an attempt to discredit Gary/Frank (some odd version of thought like if they are filing for retirement then they are probably guilty blah blah blah). Once leaked, G/F had to clarify.

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quote:
Originally posted by: confused
"The article in the Hattiesburg unAmerican didn't make sense. I don't understand why the two profs. would take steps to file their retirement papers. Thames gave them the option to retire early or to be fired. The profs. said they weren't going to retire if they're reinstated. It's also my understanding that someone can't get their retirement if they've been fired. It doesn't make sense, just like the whole situation. Also, leading into the hearings tomorrow it's important to realize a few things. Thames is known to be overbearing, thuggish and a micromanager; however, he's a fairly accomplished thinker. I'd be surprised if he acted against the profs. without having enough support to back his decision. "

He may be an "accomplished" polymer scientist, but he is NOT an accomplished "thinker" in the classical sense.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Their retirement is theirs, mine is mine, fired or not. He can't touch our retirement.

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Originally posted by: present professor
" If they file for retirement BEFORE they are fired then they can still collect retirement benefits. They didn't take Thame's offer to retire because they don't believe they were guilty -- in other words, they wanted a hearing. Remember -- the are contesting Thame's action. If they were guilty, you don't think they'd have taken the easy way out when it was offered? "