Anyone else get through to the WUSM live feed?

Date: Apr 28, 2004

RE: Anyone else get through to the WUSM live feed?

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: BogusBoy
"Letter (email?) to Kentuck comm. College on USM letterhead, by Stringer. Query in email – I am involved in a research project and have question about the tenure system there (Thames says this is part of the witchhunt to collect data against Dvorak) “Also, am I right in assuming that your tenure system is entirely separate from U. of Kentucky system. Has it always been that way?” Thames disturbed that Stringer said he is involved in research project, like it’s a university-sanctioned function. Thames says there is NO reference to Dvorak in letter. Aug 20, 2003"

Gary can say whatever he wants in a letter (it's not like he pretended to be SFT or anything)...this is nothing! They have nothing! No smoking gun, no real evidence, nada, zero, zilch. I'm feeling better all the time...this is a great day for academic freedom, folks. If this is their case, then the GAME IS ON! TRUTH WILL PREVAIL!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: aghast
"SFT said he thought Julie Lindquist had never taught at USM. He sure knows how to check his facts. "

Of course he wouldn't know, she was an ENGLISH prof at USM. Why was her name mentioned?

Date: Apr 28, 2004

THERE IS NO SMOKING GUN!!!!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Thames said he wasn't concerned about tenure because he brought Dvorak in as a manager...what the heck was she doing involved in tenure and promotions decisions then?????

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Break time!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Outside observer
"Thames said he wasn't concerned about tenure because he brought Dvorak in as a manager...what the heck was she doing involved in tenure and promotions decisions then?????"

He wants to run USM like a business, get it? So, Kenbot is his "Gulf Coast Manager, Hanbury is his "Risk Manager," and I suppose Angie is his "Economic Development manager." These people could care less about tenure because THEY'VE NEVER HAD IT!!!!!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

If the letter he just read from is the "misrepresentation" he says Gary Stringer engaged in...what a joke. The letter simply said "I'm involved in a research project, and..."

SFT says it was a lie that Stringer was involved in a research project? Next he'll be revising the dictionary to designate research as limited to things Shelby approves.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: BogusBoy
"Break time!"

Thank you, BogusBoy, for your fast fingers and your diligence in posting! You should win an award for this (or at least a mention on the FS website!).

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: truth4usm
"Of course he wouldn't know, she was an ENGLISH prof at USM. Why was her name mentioned?"

Thames read an email that Stringer wrote to Julie Lindquist. When asked who she was, he just said that he thought she was someone Gary Stringer knew. When asked if she'd ever been associated with USM, he said he didn't think so.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Yeah, I don't see the big deal about that...he was researching Dvorak's qualifications. That's really grasping at straws

quote:

Originally posted by: aghast
"If the letter he just read from is the "misrepresentation" he says Gary Stringer engaged in...what a joke. The letter simply said "I'm involved in a research project, and..." SFT says it was a lie that Stringer was involved in a research project? Next he'll be revising the dictionary to designate research as limited to things Shelby approves."

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Bogusboy -- you put the HA to shame. Their reporting was pitiful -- and they had tons of errors too. he he he

Date: Apr 28, 2004

FROM HA

USM President Shelby Thames discussed an August 2003 letter in which Stringer sought more information about the tenure system in Kentucky. Stringer said he needed the tenure information for a research project.

"He's not involved in a research project," Thames said. "He's trying to collect information to try to damage Dr. Dvorak."

Dvorak was not mentioned by name in the letter.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: truth4usm
"He wants to run USM like a business, get it? So, Kenbot is his "Gulf Coast Manager, Hanbury is his "Risk Manager," and I suppose Angie is his "Economic Development manager." These people could care less about tenure because THEY'VE NEVER HAD IT!!!!!"

Did folks notice that he referred to Hanbury twice as the University Attorney? Lee Gore is the University Attorney - Hanbury is the Risk Manager - some lawyer friends think this is important.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Policy

Date: Apr 28, 2004

RE: Anyone else get through to the WUSM live feed?

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Thames has been testifying for what...an hour? Surely he's used his best stuff by now...pretty weak!!!!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Think about it...if this is what they're leading off with, then this is their strongest evidence. I can't imagine that they're "saving" anything for later....don't know if this is premature, but SFT seems so underprepared. He could've at least found out who Julie Lindquist was, for crying out loud! She only left a year or two ago!

SFT is too dumb to be evil...I fully believe that now.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Thanks for the thank-yous!

I'm glad I can contribute to any folks who cannot pick up the online feed, that's for sure. I'll try to crank up again here in a minute or two, when they get back in session.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

I didn't think we were going to experience jubilation until the defense got started - I was wrong!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Websitebrowser
"Did folks notice that he referred to Hanbury twice as the University Attorney? Lee Gore is the University Attorney - Hanbury is the Risk Manager - some lawyer friends think this is important."

What do "some lawyer frineds" think about the rest of what Shelby has to say so far?

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Websitebrowser
"Did folks notice that he referred to Hanbury twice as the University Attorney? Lee Gore is the University Attorney - Hanbury is the Risk Manager - some lawyer friends think this is important."

This is VERY IMPORTANT! Is Hanbury even licensed to practice law in MS?? Remember the article that DC Eagle posted...I see other lawsuits in the works. Can't wait until Adelman and Co. take charge of this hearing!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

I meant friends

Date: Apr 28, 2004

you guys are doing great...please keep it up. the HA is terrible. not enough facts for someone detail oriented like me.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Yep!! Cross examination is gonna be interesting!!!!! Probably no one watching Court TV today!

quote:

Originally posted by: truth4usm
"This is VERY IMPORTANT! Is Hanbury even licensed to practice law in MS?? Remember the article that DC Eagle posted...I see other lawsuits in the works. Can't wait until Adelman and Co. take charge of this hearing!"

Date: Apr 28, 2004

How long is the break? Did they say?

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Advice - don't log out of FireShelby and expect to get right back in. I tried to open a second browser window and got this:

The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer

I reckon the FireShelby site is getting hammered with hits today!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

I think the HA has my blind 92-year-old grandmother typing in those "live" reports.....

Date: Apr 28, 2004

BAck in session

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: BogusBoy
"Advice - don't log out of FireShelby and expect to get right back in. I tried to open a second browser window and got this: The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer I reckon the FireShelby site is getting hammered with hits today!"

That happened to me, too...you can get in through my website http://www.FireThames.com I have a link to the message board on the front page. That's how I got in.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

i'm off to classes now, is there anyone who thinks they can type fast enough to get it all word for word

i think i'll miss a lot in two hours, and how long will the hearing last today?

Date: Apr 28, 2004

At one point Thames accused Stringer of violating the Buckley amendment because he'd made derogatory remarks about an undergraduate student in an email. He said something about the student not being the most credible source since he had been working on a theater degree for seven years and had still not graduated.

I don't think that falls under Buckley. Buckley covers what a professor can release regarding confidential information on the students' grades and such in that professor's own course. A student hanging around for seven years without graduating would be common knowledge. That doesn't sound like it would be covered by privacy laws.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

More thanks, Bogus Boy. I really appreciate this. It's fascinating and scary, all at the same time.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: aghast
"At one point Thames accused Stringer of violating the Buckley amendment because he'd made derogatory remarks about an undergraduate student in an email. He said something about the student not being the most credible source since he had been working on a theater degree for seven years and had still not graduated. I don't think that falls under Buckley. Buckley covers what a professor can release regarding confidential information on the students' grades and such in that professor's own course. A student hanging around for seven years without graduating would be common knowledge. That doesn't sound like it would be covered by privacy laws."

Yes, Buckley only covers confidential info on a student, not opinions. Even parents aren't allowed to get grades on their children if the kids are over 18.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Email from Myron Henry to Glamser!

Jan 6, 2004

Says Dvorak is making decisions on tenure without having tenure.

“on the other hand, if VP is not tenured at USM then our own processes would preclude her participation.” “Main issue is credentials and truth in advertising.”

Thames says this shows Henry saying how the investigation should continue.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

***HUGE*** thanks to Bogusboy for his excellent reporting! Access to the main FS website is now unavailable (no doubt because so many people are trying to access the page). People who want access to the message board can get it (as I did) through the direct link at the USM AAUP website. Access to the audio feed from the radio station is also now down; I hope someone is recording all this for play-back at a later time.

As to the substance of the hearings so far, it is absolutely CHILLING to hear about the reading of private e-mails; this is incredible in a country that prides itself on free speech and privacy. Suddenly USM sounds like the Soviet Union! hard to BELIEVE this kind of thing is taking place on an American college campus.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: truth4usm
"This is VERY IMPORTANT! Is Hanbury even licensed to practice law in MS?? Remember the article that DC Eagle posted...I see other lawsuits in the works. Can't wait until Adelman and Co. take charge of this hearing!"

Is now...evidently was not for the first few (?) months - bigger issue here is the title...

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: truth4usm
"This is VERY IMPORTANT! Is Hanbury even licensed to practice law in MS?? Remember the article that DC Eagle posted...I see other lawsuits in the works. Can't wait until Adelman and Co. take charge of this hearing!"

Is now...evidently was not for the first few (?) months - bigger issue here is the title...

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Email from Glamser to IHL person (pam smith?)

Jan 2004

Is there a way for a private citizen to inquire about tenure of a person?

Thames says this tells me Glamser is hot and heavy in an investigation already, shows he is misrepresenting himself.

They were looking for anything they could to discredit her.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

I don;t think Buckley refers to directory information--major and dates of attendance are directory info, usually. Will confirm with more knowledgeable people.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: BogusBoy
"Email from Glamser to IHL person (pam smith?) Jan 2004 Is there a way for a private citizen to inquire about tenure of a person? Thames says this tells me Glamser is hot and heavy in an investigation already, shows he is misrepresenting himself. They were looking for anything they could to discredit her."

Again, Gary is not misrepresenting himself. Yes, he's conducting an investigation...big deal. If Angie had nothing to HIDE then there wouldn't be an ISSUE in the first place! Oh, this is so scary...the whole email business. Isn't Pam Smith the PR person for IHL?

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: USM Sympathizer
"***HUGE*** thanks to Bogusboy for his excellent reporting! Access to the main FS website is now unavailable (no doubt because so many people are trying to access the page). People who want access to the message board can get it (as I did) through the direct link at the USM AAUP website. ."

Can also get in through a search on fireshelby submissions and back into the message board.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Email from Myron to Gary

“Need to determine if Dvorak is tenured. Who tenured her, if she is tenured?” (at USM)

Thames says it’s not important for Dvorak to have tenure.

Thames says there’s a continual effort to destroy her effectiveness at the university.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: BogusBoy
"Email from Myron to Gary “Need to determine if Dvorak is tenured. Who tenured her, if she is tenured?” (at USM) Thames says it’s not important for Dvorak to have tenure. Thames says there’s a continual effort to destroy her effectiveness at the university."

And how are they doing that? If she would just have ANSWERED their questions, this would not have happened. What a loser you are, SFT, blaming everyone else for your own mismanagement.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Debbie Scott at Kentucky Comm and Tech college system human resources, document, January 2004 affidavit

Jan 12 2004 got telephone call from “prof gary stringer” saying he’s English prof, wanted to verify info on Dvorak when she was employed at Ashland. He said that Dvorak was candidate for USM job and he was verifying employement information. Stinger wanted email that confirmed what she’d told him on phone. Stringer included Dvoraks SS#, this made her believe that he was on the up and up.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Debbie Scott at Kentucky Comm and Tech college system human resources, document, January 2004 affidavit

Jan 12 2004 got telephone call from “prof gary stringer” saying he’s English prof, wanted to verify info on Dvorak when she was employed at Ashland. He said that Dvorak was candidate for USM job and he was verifying employement information. Stinger wanted email that confirmed what she’d told him on phone. Stringer included Dvoraks SS#, this made her believe that he was on the up and up.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: BogusBoy
"Debbie Scott at Kentucky Comm and Tech college system human resources, document, January 2004 affidavit Jan 12 2004 got telephone call from “prof gary stringer” saying he’s English prof, wanted to verify info on Dvorak when she was employed at Ashland. He said that Dvorak was candidate for USM job and he was verifying employement information. Stinger wanted email that confirmed what she’d told him on phone. Stringer included Dvoraks SS#, this made her believe that he was on the up and up."

To me, question here is: didn't he get Dvorak's SSN from the CV that Lisa Mader provided? Can't wait to hear Adelman's take on this one!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

(They have a LOT of emails in the evidence pile)

Glamser to Scott – email – could you summarize phone conversation or confirm what I say here. Interested in entries on vita of Dvorak, need to know about tenure status.

Email from Stringer to Scott – jan 22, 2004 – hadn’t heard from her, wondered if she’d been threatened. If you are worried that you’d be exposed for giving me the legitimate info, don’t worry. I won’t abuse your trust. I have obtained all the info I need from other sources.

Another email from Stringer , same day, 2a.m., to Scott, : what I was trying to say before is that no one knows your name here, and I’m not telling, so no worries.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

(They have a LOT of emails in the evidence pile)

Glamser to Scott – email – could you summarize phone conversation or confirm what I say here. Interested in entries on vita of Dvorak, need to know about tenure status.

Email from Stringer to Scott – jan 22, 2004 – hadn’t heard from her, wondered if she’d been threatened. If you are worried that you’d be exposed for giving me the legitimate info, don’t worry. I won’t abuse your trust. I have obtained all the info I need from other sources.

Another email from Stringer , same day, 2a.m., to Scott, : what I was trying to say before is that no one knows your name here, and I’m not telling, so no worries.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Sorry for the double-posts - don't know why it does that!!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: BogusBoy
"Sorry for the double-posts - don't know why it does that!!"

It did it to me when I hit refresh after I'd posted.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

This underscores the need for USM faculty, staff & students to become familiar with the use of email encryption, IMO.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

All of this evidence is in the form of captured personal emails....

Advice to USM folks: use your home email accounts!!!!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Printz writer, email to Glamser asking for story ideas.

Glamser - I have lots of ideas, we should visit in person

Rachael – printz writer – to Glamser: that was a bag of goodies you gave us. You did a good job checking things out. Don’t know how they’ll talk their way out of this.

Glamser: I hope you can present evidence of case in printz in detail. When it comes time for reference letters, I know lots of senior professors you can count on.

To dr. glamser – saw HA version and TV news, not well covered, I plan to go into more depth in Printz. I appreciate the support.

Thames problem with the emails – Dr. Glamser is encouraging her to be more aggressive, and he is promising letters of recommendation

Date: Apr 28, 2004

SFT reading emails between Glamser and Rachel Q of SP. Thames says the exchange means Glamser tried to influence stories reported by offering good rec. letters.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

To Stringer from David Durant

Jan 14th 2004

Email

He’s at U of Kentucky, since 1970. “Dvorak was not a member of our dept. So, she has no tenure in it.” <goes on to explain the system in Kentucky at the time>

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: BogusBoy
"Printz writer, email to Glamser asking for story ideas. Glamser - I have lots of ideas, we should visit in person Rachael – printz writer – to Glamser: that was a bag of goodies you gave us. You did a good job checking things out. Don’t know how they’ll talk their way out of this. Glamser: I hope you can present evidence of case in printz in detail. When it comes time for reference letters, I know lots of senior professors you can count on. To dr. glamser – saw HA version and TV news, not well covered, I plan to go into more depth in Printz. I appreciate the support. Thames problem with the emails – Dr. Glamser is encouraging her to be more aggressive, and he is promising letters of recommendation "

Someone should bring up Thames' increased budget he's giving to the SGA-bots. Tell me THAT'S not payback!

Again, this still proves nothing...Thames is scared of what the Student Printz doing a "thorough" job of investigating a story? Oh, if there were only more of this kind of reporting in southern MS!

Does anyone know if a Chronicle of Higher Ed reporter is there?

Date: Apr 28, 2004

To Stringer from David Durant

Jan 14th 2004

Email

He’s at U of Kentucky, since 1970. “Dvorak was not a member of our dept. So, she has no tenure in it.” <goes on to explain the system in Kentucky at the time>

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Is it just me, or is Thames just proving that they investigated Dvorak...sure he's trying to put his own twist on it, but he doesn't seem to have solid proof of it. He is making lots of statements that include speculation. I mean, it just seems to me he is proving what Glamser/Stringer already admitted: that they did investigate her background.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: la chica
"Is it just me, or is Thames just proving that they investigated Dvorak...sure he's trying to put his own twist on it, but he doesn't seem to have solid proof of it. He is making lots of statements that include speculation. I mean, it just seems to me he is proving what Glamser/Stringer already admitted: that they did investigate her background."

That's all he's done so far.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

I heard early this morning that there would not be a Chronicle reporter personally present, but I don't know for sure. With all the documentation and recording, a personal visit may not be necessary, I reckon.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Outside Observer
"All of this evidence is in the form of captured personal emails.... Advice to USM folks: use your home email accounts!!!!"

I suggest using your home computer. Any e-mail address can be picked up from a computer, especially when it is confiscated.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

I missed the early part of the hearing due to an appointment... Is the use of Dvorak's SSN the only "questionable" thing that Shelby is accusing the profs of doing?

Isn't presenting Hanbury as "college attorney" a false statement?

This isn't sworn testimony, is it?

Reading emails is despicable, but it's probably completely allowed through the USM acceptable use policy.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

They are continuing, over and over and over, to talk about the Kentucky tenure system. Tenure awarded only by U. of Kentucky trustees at time, not by community colleges themselves. System later changed. Reading very intricate details... bore.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

This IS sworn testimony, actually.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Here's a link to a story in the Sun Herald already on this:

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/8540794.htm

Not exactly sure they got dates right...

Date: Apr 28, 2004

RE: RE: Anyone else get through to the WUSM live f

Date: Apr 28, 2004

RE: Anyone else get through to the WUSM live feed?

Date: Apr 28, 2004

He was sworn in...but I'm not sure this hearin has legal standing...labor arbitrators often swear in witnesses even though they have no legal standing to do so...thought is witness won't know this and will tell truth. Lawyers out there>...does this oath have legal standing?

quote:

Originally posted by: BogusBoy
"This IS sworn testimony, actually."

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: BogusBoy
"I've not ever started a new thread, but would we want to do so during the lunch break, when that arrives?"

I'll start one that's called "Hearing Updates 4/28/04 after lunch" when it happens. Let me know when they take a break.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: truth4usm
"I'll start one that's called "Hearing Updates 4/28/04 after lunch" when it happens. Let me know when they take a break."

I will, thank you.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: Outside Observer
"All of this evidence is in the form of captured personal emails.... Advice to USM folks: use your home email accounts!!!!"

I suggest using your home computer. Any e-mail address can be picked up from a computer, especially when it is confiscated.

=============================

Response to both of these posts: an attorney recently briefed our campus and told people that even their home computers can be searched if they are used for school business. Whatever happened to the Land of the Free? Where can I join the ACLU?

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Clearly a judge would have to sign a search warrant before someone could come into your home and search your computer...or go to your ISP and search your computer useage.

quote:

Originally posted by: USM Sympathizer
" I suggest using your home computer. Any e-mail address can be picked up from a computer, especially when it is confiscated.============================= Response to both of these posts: an attorney recently briefed our campus and told people that even their home computers can be searched if they are used for school business. Whatever happened to the Land of the Free? Where can I join the ACLU? "

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Email from Stringer to Kelly Rice

Jan 28 2004

“I’m done with all this now, but I thought you might want to know what the truth really is. I never mentioned your name.”

Thames is upset because Stringer is trying to gain confidential information, misrepresented himself as chair of English department, is being “derogatory to Dr. Dvorak”

Date: Apr 28, 2004

I haven't been able to get the feed from WUSM, and I couldn't access Fire Shelby for a while.

The coverage in the Hattiesburg American doesn't even give the dates of the emails! That's pretty poor.

I'm glad to see better quality coverage here!

Robert Campbell

Date: Apr 28, 2004

I've been lurking on these forums for awhile (and all day today) and I'd like to complement the people involved in this movement for their resolve and hard work.

Thanks to everyone providing updates, commentary, and voices of concern.

Also, you can hit F5 to refresh the page instead of clicking 'refresh'

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: BogusBoy
"Email from Stringer to Kelly Rice Jan 28 2004 “I’m done with all this now, but I thought you might want to know what the truth really is. I never mentioned your name.” Thames is upset because Stringer is trying to gain confidential information, misrepresented himself as chair of English department, is being “derogatory to Dr. Dvorak”"

Where is their proof that he misrepresented himself as the chair of English? I'd like to see/hear that proof.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: LabAssistant
"I've been lurking on these forums for awhile (and all day today) and I'd like to complement the people involved in this movement for their resolve and hard work. Thanks to everyone providing updates, commentary, and voices of concern. Also, you can hit F5 to refresh the page instead of clicking 'refresh'"

Hey, thanks for the F5 tip...glad to have you aboard!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Thames –

I have reviewed the info. Many untruths. Dishonest, misrepresented themselves, wanted to make Dvorak ineffective, blinded by desire to remove her from her position.

Did their criticism of you go into your decision?

No.

But they began attacking a colleague and went beyond the bounds.

Standard for these senior faculty members is higher than others.

Showed total disregard for the truth.

They had their mind fixed on destroying Dvorak, I can’t stand by and watch this without them paying the price for this. “It’s not about what anyone said, it’s about what they did.”

Lawyer – “is this a bogus charade?”

Thames – “certainly not” (he says on several points made by lawyer)

They never asked me or Dvorak for copy of resume

Lawyer really, really jumps on the earlier “bogus charade”comment by Glamser Stringer lawyer

1-hour recess for lunch

Council will visit with judge now

Date: Apr 28, 2004

RE: RE: Anyone else get through to the WUSM live f

Date: Apr 28, 2004

That's a good point! No "chain of custody"!!

quote:

Originally posted by: Invictus
" As has been indicated, searching a home computer would require a search warrant. This would require probable cause that a crime had been committed & special procedures for "preserving" the evidence would be in place. So far, Thames hasn't been cross-examined. If he obtained the emails from the confiscated computers, then the burden of proof is on him to show that the evidence was not tainted. "

Date: Apr 28, 2004

That's a good point! No "chain of custody"!!

quote:

Originally posted by: Invictus
" As has been indicated, searching a home computer would require a search warrant. This would require probable cause that a crime had been committed & special procedures for "preserving" the evidence would be in place. So far, Thames hasn't been cross-examined. If he obtained the emails from the confiscated computers, then the burden of proof is on him to show that the evidence was not tainted. "

Date: Apr 28, 2004

RE: Anyone else get through to the WUSM live feed?

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: BogusBoy
"Standard for these senior faculty members is higher than others.

Excuse me??? Who decides which standards apply to which faculty members, Shelby?

I can’t stand by and watch this without them paying the price for this.

So he admits that this is a vendetta firing. Thanks, Shelby!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Websitebrowser
"Where are the much-touted "criminal charges'?"

I think the use of her SS# in correspondence is about as bad as it got

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Let's assume for the moment that everything Thames said is true...what's the worst thing either prof did?????

Use Dvorak's SSN?

Claim to be chair of English dept?

quote:

Originally posted by: Websitebrowser
"Where are the much-touted "criminal charges'?"

Date: Apr 28, 2004

I'm about to start another thread called "Hearing Updates 4/28/04 after lunch." BogusBoy will post his updates there, and feel free to keep on discussing the updates. This is such a great community, y'all! Keep up the good work!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

I'll be looking for the new thread after lunch - gotta find a burger and rest the fingers!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: truth4usm
"Where is their proof that he misrepresented himself as the chair of English? I'd like to see/hear that proof."

I may have missed something, but I never heard them give proof. I've been in and out of the room with the radio, though.

All I heard them say was that it was "assumed" that he was presenting himself in an official capacity. Sounds like all he really did was to say "I'm Gary Stringer from the English department at USM."

Maybe someone who caught more of it can fill in.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: BogusBoy
"I'll be looking for the new thread after lunch - gotta find a burger and rest the fingers!"

Bogusboy deserves a special award when this is all over! We should at LEAST pay for his burger!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: BogusBoy
"I think the use of her SS# in correspondence is about as bad as it got"

I just consulted my lawyer relative, and he said that using a SSN is not a crime. Sorry, Shelby. It's encumbent on Ms. Scott to check out Gary's credentials on whether to give him the info or not. That's her negligence and not his. It's not like Gary said "Hi, I'm SFT." He did not. It's not Watergate, folks. He did not break into the English Dept. at UK and go through her personnel files!

So, he was mad at SFT. And mad at Dvorak by association. Who cares? Are we not allowed to have our own opinions anymore in the Land of the Free? Again, if they had nothing to hide, then why did they care if he investigated her all day long? And show me where it says anything in the Faculty Handbook that you have to have a smile on your face and a "Cheers, Mate!" for SFT every time you see him walking down the street???? Puleeeeze! This is insane...utterly insane. Definitely not criminal behavior and definitely not worth terminating tenured professors.

I can't wait until the cross-X...I hope they get Shelby so mad that he spouts off something fierce...just like on Law & Order when they trip the guy up by making him mad! Lead on, Adelman and McDuff!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

I hope that under cross examination that they find out exactly when Thames received all of these e-mails. That is, did he get them every day? - that would show his obsession over this.

It would be interesting to know when he started monitoring their e-mails.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

Yes, that's gonna be entertaining!! Does anyone have any idea? will they get to cross this afternoon?

quote:

Originally posted by: WHATAMESSATUSM
"I hope that under cross examination that they find out exactly when Thames received all of these e-mails. That is, did he get them every day? - that would show his obsession over this. It would be interesting to know when he started monitoring their e-mails."

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: WHATAMESSATUSM
"I hope that under cross examination that they find out exactly when Thames received all of these e-mails. That is, did he get them every day? - that would show his obsession over this. It would be interesting to know when he started monitoring their e-mails."

My point exactly...doesn't SFT know that by attempting to show how OBSESSED F&G were in getting Angie fired, all he is doing is showing how he has been OBSESSED himself with firing F&G! Every argument he has used can be used against him. I'm sure F&G can show at least as many emails (or could, if they could get them as easily as he can) showing SFT's "disdain" for Frank and Gary and his "evil plan" for discrediting them. This is so silly, people...just as we thought. Shelby just wants them to leave his friend Angie alone...*they* are the bullies. What a load of CRAP!!!!

There are no relevant criminal charges, this IS a "bogus charade"...or a "plastic parade," if you will. USM deserves so much better than SFT at the helm!

Date: Apr 28, 2004

The lawyer who spoke for Frank and Gary is Robbie McDuff. He is a local boy who grew up in Hattiesburg and graduted from Milsaps College before going to Harvard Law School. He is quite good. I believe he has argued several cases before the U.S. Supreme Court. He works out of Jackson and is likely affiliated with the AACLU. If he cross examins Shelby this will be interesting.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

That's clearly the sense I'm getting...don't pick on one of Shelby's people or he'll get you!! Which is worse? 1. investigating someone's credentials which they presented to get a job by, in effect, doing background checks..which all employers do...or 2. secretly capturing private emails!?!?!?

quote:

Originally posted by: truth4usm
" My point exactly...doesn't SFT know that by attempting to show how OBSESSED F&G were in getting Angie fired, all he is doing is showing how he has been OBSESSED himself with firing F&G! Every argument he has used can be used against him. I'm sure F&G can show at least as many emails (or could, if they could get them as easily as he can) showing SFT's "disdain" for Frank and Gary and his "evil plan" for discrediting them. This is so silly, people...just as we thought. Shelby just wants them to leave his friend Angie alone...*they* are the bullies. What a load of CRAP!!!! There are no relevant criminal charges, this IS a "bogus charade"...or a "plastic parade," if you will. USM deserves so much better than SFT at the helm!"

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: WHATAMESSATUSM
"It would be interesting to know when he started monitoring their e-mails."

Transcript may make it clearer but I thought I heard summer, 2003.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: observer
"The lawyer who spoke for Frank and Gary is Robbie McDuff. He is a local boy who grew up in Hattiesburg and graduted from Milsaps College before going to Harvard Law School. He is quite good. I believe he has argued several cases before the U.S. Supreme Court. He works out of Jackson and is likely affiliated with the AACLU. If he cross examins Shelby this will be interesting."

Known for being an expert in Freedom of Speech.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

the man behind the curtain continues to reveal himself much like the little kid who finally outed the Emporer.

I, as I'm sure many of you agree, am not surprised by what we're hearing. I haven't seen SFT fare well at a hearing in at least the last year or so.

Date: Apr 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Websitebrowser
"Known for being an expert in Freedom of Speech. "

He probable went to school with Shelby's children. Small world.