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Originally posted by: indy eagle
"So, what is going to happen?"

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The public will not know anything until the College Board either accepts or rejects Thames' reccomendation.  Neither party is talking to the press about it. 

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I suppose all there is to do now is just wait...what a suspenseful campus this will be.

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Originally posted by: indy eagle
"So, who was putting pressure on him to change his recommendation? Anderson? The whole thing seems bizarre. SFT gets to testify, then decides he wants to settle? Was this whole thing just a smear? In other words, did he ever intend to fire them?"

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Anderson is one smart person.

 

What are the odds that a split decision comes of this? Glamser gets reinstated and Stringer is cut loose since he handled the s.s. aspect of it.  This could be a deviant way for Thames to have his cake and eat it too.

I hope this doesn't happen (and shouldn't), but are the terminations/reinstatements a packaged deal?

Something to think about.

Ok...here's my guess...

Glamser and Stringer will be reinstated with some kind of weak apology coming from university or university system which sort of allows Thames to save face (a little)

If they get a monetary settlement, it'll be kept secret.

Then, after a reasonable time, Thames will resign, citing health or personal reasons.

 

I'll bet Dvorak is FURIOUSLY sending out hundreds of resumes about now!

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Originally posted by: truth4usm
" I'm with you, Outside Observer.  This is what I've said will happen all along. The most important fact to hammer home here is that there was NO SMOKING GUN.  All this "wait until the facts come out" b.s. was just that---b.s.  I believe at least some of those folks said that if it did come out that Thames fired Stringer and Glamser capriciously and without any just cause, then they would recommend that Thames step down.  Well, baby, get ready to make those recommendations!  The day of reckoning is tough for those who chose to support the WRONG side! I'll bet Lisa Mader is sending her resume out as we speak..."

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Did anyone else notice?  During Thames testimony...he made the point several tiems that he thought G&S attempted to destroy Dvorak's reputation/career...but he often added something about "and this administration."  Seems to me that's the heart of the matter...felt G&S were attacking his administration...how DARE they!!!

 

 

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Originally posted by: indy eagle
"Not only was there no smoking gun, there wasn't even a gun! The entire case against G&S was about motives; essentially, they were on a witch hunt. There was one thread of actionable activity, the SS#, but it was not proved that they used it illegally or unethically. Anyone who thinks that there is an outcome that would not be favorable to the professors is, well, Stephen Dietz."

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Well...maybe in a relatively short period of time, it will not dominate everyone's time and thinking and USM can start making some progress again.

he wasn't prepared because he is so arrogant. and he thought he didn't need to.

did you hear him call jack hanbury the university attorney, twice. he ain't. he's the 'risk manager'.

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Originally posted by: Otherside
"Well we found out one piece of information. Thames whole case rested on the emails and having the computers. Therefore, he had to suspend them and not allow them back to the classroom. How else could he get to the computers? Otherside "

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I wondered about that as well.  Did he take those emails from their computers after he fired them?  Did he base his whole action on a gamble that he'd find more incriminating evidence than there actually was?

 

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Originally posted by: word on the street
" No, as I understand it Thames said this morning that sometime in January he gave Hanbury the "go ahead" to monitor their e-mails.  He didn't need to impound the computers all he had to do was print them from wherever he was monitoring them from."

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But that would have only included emails they received since January.  The ones from last summer that he used as evidence this morning could not have been captured from the email server.  He had to have gotten those off their computers.

 

While I honestly believe that G & S will prevail I cannot help but be upset with the conclusion of today’s session.  (Lack of conclusion, I should say)  In essence, by halting the hearing and applying a seal of secrecy to whatever outcome WAS reached today, Judge Anderson condemned us to an indefinite period in speculative PURGATORY.

 

So, Anderson said that he would give his recommendation to IHL today… so what!?!  IHL has no due date on arriving at a decision, and seriously from what we’ve seen of them do you really expect them to efficiently and effectively bring closure to this dark period in our not-so-illustrious history?  If we are waiting for some finality and justice to come from IHL then we will be w – a – i – t – i – n – g    a  l – o – n – g, l – o – n – g   t – i – m – e !  -  !   -  !

 

Seriously, I think once Anderson got in there what he actually saw was a ridiculous situation that IHL didn’t have the gumption, (please note that gumption, in this sense, is a polite word to describe an impolite term for a part of a man’s lower anatomy that typically hangs, also in most cases there are two of them), ehem back to my point… IHL didn’t have the gumption to take care of the situation themselves, so they thought they would pawn it off on someone else to make the tough decisions.

 

So, In my most humble opinion what has happened is nothing, there were no ‘facts’ to clarify everything and bring it all to light!  Therefore, people (us) will continue to speculate and discuss and be all screwed up inside (me) because we weren’t given the closure we expected, for better or worse, to come out of this farcical hearing.  I didn’t necessarily want the hearing to be open but I did want G & S ‘s situation to be put to rest so that they could get on with their lives.  (On a side note, I don’t mind speculations or discussions and was actually hoping that the FS site would remain around a while as a positive reminder to us that we must continue to weed out the corruption that has made us the most corrupted state in the US – according to some article someone cited earlier in another thread.)

 

Eh, Webby-baby, that’s my contribution to the dictionary – PURGATORY—you can put that in your book and smoke it.

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Originally posted by: indy eagle
"Not only was there no smoking gun, there wasn't even a gun!

The entire case against G&S was about motives; essentially, they were on a witch hunt. There was one thread of actionable activity, the SS#, but it was not proved that they used it illegally or unethically.

Anyone who thinks that there is an outcome that would not be favorable to the professors is, well, Stephen Dietz."

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The SS issue was thoroughly researched by G&S's attorneys, and there was no violation of state or federal law, nothing even close. It is possible that Mader violated a law as a state employee handing out a SS number to the press.

The nature of a settlement is both sides win a little and lose a little. Both pass up on a chance for total victory for a certain situation they can live with. Frank and Gary could have resigned any time, and Shelby could have dropped the charges any time. Shelby had to get something he could live with as did Frank and Gary. The settlement will be a matter of public record. The evidence seemed to greatly favor Frank and Gary, but the ultimate decision was going to be political.

If this settlement does not include a reasonable expectation of Thames' resignation, then I feel pretty bad about the settlement. 

I presume Gary and Frank will be reinstated, and in truth I suppose that was their main goal (as opposed to the main goal of this board, which is inherent in its name). 

But any settlement that leaves the faculty and the university at the mercy of even a downsized (imagine!) Shelby Thames is a very poor result for all of us.

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Originally posted by: Flash Gordon
"The nature of a settlement is both sides win a little and lose a little. Both pass up on a chance for total victory for a certain situation they can live with. Frank and Gary could have resigned any time, and Shelby could have dropped the charges any time. Shelby had to get something he could live with as did Frank and Gary. The settlement will be a matter of public record. The evidence seemed to greatly favor Frank and Gary, but the ultimate decision was going to be political."

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You are all wrong.  The evidence was overwhelming against G&S and the judge told them so.  That's why they settled.  You wait and see.  G&S are gone forever.  I know this for a fact.

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Originally posted by: Old Timer
"You are all wrong.  The evidence was overwhelming against G&S and the judge told them so.  That's why they settled.  You wait and see.  G&S are gone forever.  I know this for a fact."

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If this is true, Old Timer, then why did G&S apparently seem so happy after the end of the hearing, and why do they both sound so confident and even light-hearted on the tape of the hearing?  They sure don't SOUND like people who have just had to swallow a bitter pill.

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Originally posted by: Old Timer
"You are all wrong.  The evidence was overwhelming against G&S and the judge told them so.  That's why they settled.  You wait and see.  G&S are gone forever.  I know this for a fact."

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If you know anything for a fact, that means someone leaked the settlement to you which would be a violation. Given your orientation as a Thames supporter, are we to assume that Thames is violating the agreement?

Since you know the facts, have G&S resigned? Have they agreed to be terminated? Will they be paid as employees in the future?

When the facts come out in a week or so, it will be interesting to see just how FOS you were.

Flash is like everyone else here.  Hurl insults at anyone who opposes his view.  Aren't you doing exactly what you accuse Thames of doing?  I thought liberals were supposed to be tolerant of opposing views.   

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Originally posted by: elliott
"Old timer, got any stock tips?  I'll just do the opposite of what you say and I'll be in good shape.  Thames is like a 2 year old, only his health didn't get any favors done to it by yesterday's events.  I sense a retirement citing health concerns in our very near future.  "

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Here's one Elliott... Buy all the shares you can get in G&S Enterprises.

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Originally posted by: wary undergrad
" Did you ever notice that whenever a Thames supporter posts on the board that: 1. They never have any real facts 2.  They sound like Ms. Cleo "

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Like any of you folks show any regard for the facts or the truth?  Have you ever noticed that whenever a Thames supporter posts on the board that:

1.  You folks ignore the facts.

2.  You personally attack the opponent.

Somehow it sounds like Old Timer is not yet old enough to vote.

Let's not feed the troll.

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Originally posted by: Flash Gordon
"Somehow it sounds like Old Timer is not yet old enough to vote. Let's not feed the troll."

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I just wanted to bait him a little. 

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Originally posted by: Old Timer
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Like any of you folks show any regard for the facts or the truth?  Have you ever noticed that whenever a Thames supporter posts on the board that:
1.  You folks ignore the facts.

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Maybe you should listen to the entire hearing, Mr. Troll. I did.

The fact is that Thames failed to demonstrate that wiretapping laws (applicable to email monitoring) do not apply to state universities. He failed to demonstrate that the evidence collected in the manner was not "tainted" due to its not being handled by a bonded 3rd party forensics lab specializing in that kind of work.

In fact, his testimony merely underscored the contentions of the professors that he was attempting to squelch dissent.

He never demonstrated "criminal activity," although he hinted that certain perfectly legal actions were "criminal."

In short, Thames had no compelling case. He had his pants down pretty far on some of the things he'd done. Anderson also knew how the "defense" was going to respond. Anderson saved what passes for Thames' dignity by calling an end to it before McDuff & Adelman left him disembowelled on the stand.

What you are doing, Mr. Troll, is ignoring the facts, because your allegiance to a defunct style of management blinds you to the very real probability that you have hitched your wagon to a loser.

2.  You personally attack the opponent."

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You come in here trolling for a fight & get your panties in a wad when you get flamed? Get a life, luser. If you want to talk to people who agree with you, go back to EagleTalk.

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Originally posted by: Invictus
" It may also mean that he now has 2-3 weeks to figure out how to legally weasel out of the settlement. "

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I expect IHL to call an emergency meeting.

We should hear something in a day or two.