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Shelby's Right

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Fact: Shelby’s actions have all been taken within the system of the university’s governance. He has followed policies and procedures.


 


Fact: G&S have acted outside of the system as evidenced by their e-mails indicating there improper and unwarranted investigation of Dr. Dvorak. The AAUP which they attempt to use as giving them the justification for their actions is nothing more than a small faculty union group. The AAUP is neither an official representative of the university nor the state of Mississippi. Their association with the AAUP did not give them the authority to act as they did which is to claim in e-mails to the Univ. of Kentucky that they were official representatives of USM with the authority to seek personnel and confidential information from Dr. Dvorak’s records at the Univ. of Kentucky. They have no more right to that information than any other non administrative faculty member.


 


To this end they lied to Dr. Thames that they did not seek information on Dr. Dvorak until they received an “anonymous” package last December. The evidence presented by Dr. Thames contained in their e-mails proved this to be false. Note that they did not refute this in their statements given yesterday.


 


Fact: G&S deliberately misled other faculty members and students through their actions in an attempt to foster such discontent and low moral with the hopes that they could hide behind their tenure status and claims of “freedom of speech” with the aim to force Dr. Thames out of office.


 


These misleading acts included the failure to disclose to faculty and students that the Univ. of Kentucky had responded to them and that Dr. Dvorak’s resume was in their opinion correct and factual.  They deliberately sought out the editor of the student paper in attempt to spread their knowing incorrect and inflammatory claims with their goal of trying to create an atmosphere of hate and discontent on campus in order to force Dr. Thames out.


 


And when told they were to be terminated, they did not wait to work through the process and appeal the action through the system but instead participated in rallies claiming they did nothing wrong and challenged Dr. Thames to come forward with the charges against them. They did this knowingly that Dr. Thames was, by the University’s and IHL polices, prohibited form disclosing that information. And when Dr. Thames requested they give him permission to disclose the charges, G&S refused, yet continued to encourage students and faculty to protest without waiting on the established system for their appeal. They wanted students and fellow faculty members to view Dr. Thames as some sort of autocratic fascist acting outside of standard policies and procedures yet all the actions of G&S show them to be the ones who were acting outside the system and due process.


 


Tomorrow, when the College Board announces the G&S will be “allowed” to retire, I hope the misguided supporters of this sight and G&S will see the light. If, in fact it is announced that they are retiring take note that these are two tenured faculty members with all the protections that come from tenure, and if G&S truly believe this to have been a “free speech” issues which comes with it the protection of the U.S. Constitution, why then did they agree to retire. Lack of legal defense funds? No, they could easily go to their AAUP and the ACLU to resolve funding for legal support for a “freedom of speech” issue. If they have agreed to retire it will be because they have truly done wrong. I will then hope that all of you who insist in staying angry will at least direct that anger at G&S for misleading you. For those who can get beyond the anger, USM, the faculty, and Dr. Thames will need your help in rebuilding the moral and moving the University in a positive direction. I truly think even G&S would want that.



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I completely disagree with what you have just said.


Why???  Do I have to spell it out???  Can Trent Lott give the same joke twice?  Well, here I am, FIXING (credit given to RK on that one) to comment ---


what you said is ridiculous.  Everyone will compromise - Shelby supporters just need to realize that they should now consider themselves - silenced.



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Does someone else want to offer a point-by-point rebuttal to this Gnome clone's post, or shall I?


Present Professor, you here?


 



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"Does someone else want to offer a point-by-point rebuttal to this Gnome clone's post, or shall I?
Present Professor, you here?
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I was thinking about it, but then I thought, "Why bother?" He's heard it and he knows that post's full of it. He's probably acting out after yesterday's fiasco for SFT.

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Alright, Dome Clone, I have a question to you.


If Shelby's "bogus charade" results in a settlement for the professors, how will you interpret that?  Does that still imply that Shelby's right?


How do you respond to the fact that after Shelby testified, Anderson--ANDERSON, NOT THE TWO PROFESSORS--called Shelby into conference?  Do you think he told him "You've got one helluva case!  It's so good I am not even going to allow you to be cross-examined!" or do you think he told him, "You have just made a complete and utter fool of yourself.  So that you don't face criminal or civil penalties for the manner in which you conducted your OWN investigation, I suggest you settle with the professors. I can't believe you wasted MY TIME and the TAXPAYERS' MONEY with this farce!"


Really, please expound on these questions.


 



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Originally posted by: Hellgirl
" I was thinking about it, but then I thought, "Why bother?" He's heard it and he knows that post's full of it. He's probably acting out after yesterday's fiasco for SFT. "
Excellent analysis, Hellgirl.  Either that, or, since even Shelby's supporters have jumped ship, he is engaging in a last ditch effort to find some SUPPORT SOMEWHERE.  (Can't figure out why these guys don't just hang around Eagle Talk, where they can pat each other on the back for this type of bull$hit.)

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Originally posted by: Shelby's Right
"Fact:
Fact: G&S deliberately misled other faculty members and students through their actions in an attempt to foster such discontent and low moral
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Shelby's Right reminds me of my father, only he has alzheimer's and I doubt that malady inflicts said misinformed.

My dad says and believes a lot things which are not true because it is precisely what he WANTS to be true.

I also think S'sR is not serious and just scamming because I know personally what it means in any kind of court "hearing" when the proceeding suddenly stop after the opening statements and only the plaintiff is questioned before cross.

ONLY ONE THING.

The plaintiff had no case.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is welcome to call me for my ocean front property in Arizona full of gas wells.

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present professor

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Originally posted by: Shelby's Right
". "

 


Shelby's Right:


All too much like your hero:


You SHOUT when you could simply discuss.


You enjoy being cruel.


You have a perverse sense of self-righteousness.


You'll invade my space whether your are wanted or not.


You live to wreak havoc on those who disagree with you.


 I'm sorry you have to resort to hysteria to make your point.


One more point I'd like to make:


Those funds from AAIUP and ACLU you say they could so "easily" get were given by people as a free will offering from people of good will. Some of those people have good resources: but most do not.


Your hero, on the other hand, had the full power of the state behind him to pay for his legal fees and his own publicity staff  (the "university" PR department -- a real joke) to put his case out into the public.  If your point is that somehow "little" Shelby was being persecuted by the big bad ACLU and AAUP, then let me remind you that it was Shelby who constantly insisted that it has always a "small" group of disaffected professors.


There eis no ACLU slush fund, no AAUP bankroll.


As a faculty member at this university, what I have learned is that I have a President I cannot trust; a President who doesn't believe in compromise; a President who treats his faculty and staff like he owns them; a Presdient who doesn't believe in shared governance.


YOU ask the 430 faculty members who voted "No Confidence" why they did so and you will find most of them will not say it was because of Glamser and Stringer. What happened to G&S is a symptom -- not the disease. In January of 2004 most of those faculty members, if not necessarily completely convinced that Shelby Thames was God's gift to USM, were at least willing to give him a chance. Their conversion over the course of the past year and a half you can blame directly on the President you quite clearly and unthinkingly worship. The evidence is right in front of your face: the mismanagement, the incompetence, the violation of standards and principles by which a normal university is run; the increasing subjugation of everyone working here to an ever more restrictive regime of rules, guidelines, and policies, and worst of all, the inability to effectively use human resources with compassion. The bahvior of this President and his continual disrespect to the people who under him merits not only contempt but opposition.


So the answer to you sir or madam, is no, I will try to "heal" the university because what you are really asking is that I "cave" in to a petty tyrant's unreasonable rule.



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"    So the answer to you sir or madam, is no, I will try to "heal" the university because what you are really asking is that I "cave" in to a petty tyrant's unreasonable rule. "

I want to insert an important word in that lasyt sentence:


"So the answer to you sir or madam, is no, I NOT will try to "heal" the university because what you are really asking is that I "cave" in to a petty tyrant's unreasonable rule. "



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