Details of the settlement between the University of Southern Mississippi and professors Gary Stringer and Frank Glamser include:
- The university will recommend Angie Dvorak, vice president of research and economic development, will not pursue litigation against the professors.
- The university will withdraw its termination proceedings against the professors.
- The professors will be reinstated for two years. During those two years the professors can convert to consultants if they want.
- The university will support Stringer’s research project and will not oppose a request if he transfers the project to another institution.
- The professors agree the university will not provide office facilities or supplies on campus.
- The professors will not publicly criticize the administration.
- The professors will be allowed to remove their personal material from their campus offices.
- The professors will be compensated at their current nine-month salaries. At the end of the 2005-2006 school year, any obligations of employment will have been satisfied.
They get to stay but they don't get offices? How does the university support the Donne Variorum without an office? And I did not see the word "retire" anywhere in there.
quote: Originally posted by: "Folks, this is a victory for us. We knew there would be compromise, but here is the most important part: THE UNIVERSITY AGREES TO DROP TERMINATION PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THE PROFS!!!"
I disagree - I am very disappointed. Maybe further reflection and a calming of emotions will change my impression, but for now this seems like a big loss for everyone except F&G.
quote: Originally posted by: Angeline "I disagree - I am very disappointed. Maybe further reflection and a calming of emotions will change my impression, but for now this seems like a big loss for everyone except F&G."
Please tell me why you see it this way. The Hattiesburg American report is so vague. I would love to hear from the professors on this, too.
I agree that it's good that FG & GS get to keep their jobs, effectively winning, but I wanted more punishment for Thames and more retribution for the professors.
Important point - punishment for Thames was never the objective of these hearings - that will come in time. The objective was to determine whether or not the profs did anything that warranted dismissal. Based on the IHL vote today, they did not do anything that warranted dismissal in the minds of the IHL. But believe me - Shelby's reign of terror is circling the drain - let's just hope enough of our great faculty are still here to teach the students once a new president is appointed!!!
quote: Originally posted by: Chris "http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/updates/6000.html"
I am flabbergasted at the genius of the administration. It took some real creativity to get a settlement that gives S & G two years salary with basically zero responsibilities versus simply reinstating them with no strings attached, which would have obligated them to teach, do service, etc. Moreover, I suspect both would have retired within the next year or two anyway. I'll bet the taxpayers of Mississippi will feel great about the process.
Personally, I am more than willing not to publicly criticize the admistration if USM will hire me as a consultant at full pay for two years with no attendant obligations. I'll even give a 10 percent discount for not giving me an office at that awful place.
By the way, congratulations to Gary and Frank. Good job!
Just want to express some of what we have gained from this for those of you who feel disappointed today.
- The objective to get the professors their jobs back was technically achieved. They will receive a paycheck and be on the University payroll. We should keep in mind that faculty and staff at USM are leaving in droves so it shouldn't be a surprise that the two faculty members assaulted by the administration the most would rather not return in their normal capacity.
- The objective of exposing Thames for what he is was also achieved. By Gary and Frank fighting this they have brought national attention to the problems of this administration.
quote: Originally posted by: Tiger "Just want to express some of what we have gained from this for those of you who feel disappointed today. - The objective to get the professors their jobs back was technically achieved. They will receive a paycheck and be on the University payroll. We should keep in mind that faculty and staff at USM are leaving in droves so it shouldn't be a surprise that the two faculty members assaulted by the administration the most would rather not return in their normal capacity. - The objective of exposing Thames for what he is was also achieved. By Gary and Frank fighting this they have brought national attention to the problems of this administration. "
Well said, Tiger. I'm with you. The profs get their pay, and the spotlight is on Shelboo now. We'll see how he "handles" himself now.
Why weren't anger management classes for SFT and AD a part of the settlement?
One small thing that got lost when the troll-driven thread got zapped and took my reply with it:
The reason the settlement doesn't require Angeline Dvorak not to sue Glamser and Stringer is that she wasn't a party to the dispute and (we can reasonably sure didn't sign the settlement).
The message to her from the Board is nonetheless clear.
quote: Originally posted by: Lewis and Gilbert "Important point - punishment for Thames was never the objective of these hearings - that will come in time. The objective was to determine whether or not the profs did anything that warranted dismissal. Based on the IHL vote today, they did not do anything that warranted dismissal in the minds of the IHL. But believe me - Shelby's reign of terror is circling the drain - let's just hope enough of our great faculty are still here to teach the students once a new president is appointed!!! "
Well said. This was a termination hearing, and they were not terminated.
i'm not sure if you've read the actual text of the agreement or just the accounts in the newspapers. i think the ihl has given Dvorak a suggestion, but there is also explicit language in the agreement that says (my paraphrase) the professors have to realize the university can't control her with respect to personal litigation. i'm still very worried that she will try to go after G & S in a civil lawsuit.
I'd love to be able to join in the excitement, but beyond the lip service at not "terminating" Stringer and Glamser, they have been effectively fired. This just allows them to leave without losing their retirement, and the two years is essentially a severance package with "pain and suffering." This is almost a duplicate of the kind of thing most corporations do when they want to get rid of somebody but screw up doing so; they get what they want while making it look good.
The lack of clear evidence against Stringer and Glamser warranted nothing but full reinstatement and an investigation of Thames' fiefdom; neither will happen now. Thames will be considered a "good manager" and that faculty will continue to live in fear, as it were. This is all so Big Brother corporate it makes me sick. Stringer and Glamser have won a moral victory of sorts, but those of us who want to see USM reach its full potential have lost, and lost substantially.
quote: Originally posted by: lddad "i'm not sure if you've read the actual text of the agreement or just the accounts in the newspapers. i think the ihl has given Dvorak a suggestion, but there is also explicit language in the agreement that says (my paraphrase) the professors have to realize the university can't control her with respect to personal litigation. i'm still very worried that she will try to go after G & S in a civil lawsuit. "
I understand your concern but I think part of the reason Thames probably settled was to get this to go away. If she sues then the whole thing will get brought up again in the press, etc. and the focus will again be on how he had no evidence against them and so forth. I think he will encourage her to let it go and keep him out of the papers.
i'd like to feel that comfortable about your assessment, but if a lawsuit is filed a great deal of the information doesn't come to the light of day. depositions and the like associated with a lawsuit don't get press coverage. things are only known publically if there is a trial, and 95+% of civil suits never go to trial. plus, it is emotionally, physically, and financially draining.
quote: Originally posted by: Poetdoc "I'd love to be able to join in the excitement, but beyond the lip service at not "terminating" Stringer and Glamser, they have been effectively fired. This just allows them to leave without losing their retirement, and the two years is essentially a severance package with "pain and suffering." This is almost a duplicate of the kind of thing most corporations do when they want to get rid of somebody but screw up doing so; they get what they want while making it look good. The lack of clear evidence against Stringer and Glamser warranted nothing but full reinstatement and an investigation of Thames' fiefdom; neither will happen now. Thames will be considered a "good manager" and that faculty will continue to live in fear, as it were. This is all so Big Brother corporate it makes me sick. Stringer and Glamser have won a moral victory of sorts, but those of us who want to see USM reach its full potential have lost, and lost substantially. Jeff Kersh, PhD USM '88, '90 "
Jeff, I bellieve that is cause to celebrate. Under MS state retiement system Stringer and Glamser can retire and I believe they planned to do so in the next year or so. If the deal had been offered to me and I had their years in the system, I would retire as well. It is a good deal for s & G. They deserve it and had to go through a buch of junk to get here. This is total defeat for Shelby. The board will oust him in the next month or maybe two. Why do you think Klumb missed today? He new the outcome so why particiapate?
The litmus test for any new President at USM is will he or she offer Frank and Gary office space on campus.