Well today sent a clear message, the University is being turned over completely to the faculty.
You guys won, you got what you wanted. We will have a University that will completely be dominated by a faculty who will have zero accountability to anyone, about anything.
You guys will now be allowed to freely drink, or use any other substance you choose while on the taxpayer dole.
You will have free rain to work as little as you want for the large salaries that you recieve, and will have to answer to no-one.
Southern Miss become without a doubt the most liberalized campus between Austin and Athens. I know that most of you are 100% in favor of this, but many alumns who are out in the 'real world' see this as losing the University who we so loved.
I will miss the Southern Miss that I have grown to love.
quote: Originally posted by: Conservative Voice "Well today sent a clear message, the University is being turned over completely to the faculty. You guys won, you got what you wanted. We will have a University that will completely be dominated by a faculty who will have zero accountability to anyone, about anything. You guys will now be allowed to freely drink, or use any other substance you choose while on the taxpayer dole. You will have free rain to work as little as you want for the large salaries that you recieve, and will have to answer to no-one. Southern Miss become without a doubt the most liberalized campus between Austin and Athens. I know that most of you are 100% in favor of this, but many alumns who are out in the 'real world' see this as losing the University who we so loved. I will miss the Southern Miss that I have grown to love." Excuse me, brainy, did you mean rein?
quote: Originally posted by: Conservative Voice "Well today sent a clear message, the University is being turned over completely to the faculty. You guys won, you got what you wanted. We will have a University that will completely be dominated by a faculty who will have zero accountability to anyone, about anything. You guys will now be allowed to freely drink, or use any other substance you choose while on the taxpayer dole. You will have free rain to work as little as you want for the large salaries that you recieve, and will have to answer to no-one. Southern Miss become without a doubt the most liberalized campus between Austin and Athens. I know that most of you are 100% in favor of this, but many alumns who are out in the 'real world' see this as losing the University who we so loved. I will miss the Southern Miss that I have grown to love."
and receive?
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quote: Originally posted by: Conservative Voice "Well today sent a clear message, the University is being turned over completely to the faculty. You guys won, you got what you wanted. We will have a University that will completely be dominated by a faculty who will have zero accountability to anyone, about anything. You guys will now be allowed to freely drink, or use any other substance you choose while on the taxpayer dole. You will have free rain to work as little as you want for the large salaries that you recieve, and will have to answer to no-one. Southern Miss become without a doubt the most liberalized campus between Austin and Athens. I know that most of you are 100% in favor of this, but many alumns who are out in the 'real world' see this as losing the University who we so loved. I will miss the Southern Miss that I have grown to love."
HAHA! You didn't get a favorable response to your post at Eagle Talk, so you thought you would bring it here.
The unrest at USM isn't a conservative vs. liberal issue...it is a right vs. wrong issue. And I completely agree with what Pike Eagle told you on your own message board.
This guy is a troll from Eagle Talk, the place where 12 failed graduates of USM meet to spin their own little web of lies under the guise of "Southern Miss to the Top!" It's a sad little place now that the professors have been reinstated...all they have to talk about is how much they want to physically hurt the professors and treat them like criminals.
Nice going, Eagle Talkers!
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I understand that many will see it differently, but that is the way that many, many of the Alumni feel...the ones who graduated from the CBA anyways.
Remember, not everyone shares your opinion, just like I don't share your opinions. I am flabbergasted that intelligent people have the opinions that are viewed on this board, because virtually nobody I know (family, friends, business associates) share your views.
But, I also understand that it's a very good chance that nobody you associate with shares my views either.
We live in different worlds, you live in academia, I live in the world of business and finance. There is not much common ground there.
quote: Originally posted by: Conservative Voice "Are you going to critique my spelling or give an opinion? Or, are you waiting one someone to give you an opinion to respond with?"
But I have to admit critiquing your spelling was amusing!!!
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And I will miss the USM I knew...the one where tenure and academic freedom meant something and you could be sure that the PRESIDENT of the university wouldn't personally ATTACK you if you just happened to be the editor of the student newspaper who disagreed with him. Yeah, I miss that place so much....
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quote: Originally posted by: Co "RC I understand that many will see it differently, but that is the way that many, many of the Alumni feel...the ones who graduated from the CBA anyways. Remember, not everyone shares your opinion, just like I don't share your opinions. I am flabbergasted that intelligent people have the opinions that are viewed on this board, because virtually nobody I know (family, friends, business associates) share your views. But, I also understand that it's a very good chance that nobody you associate with shares my views either. We live in different worlds, you live in academia, I live in the world of business and finance. There is not much common ground there."
Totally untrue. I know many USM alums who are successful in their fields (including BUSINESS) who are thoughtful and well-reasoned in their arguments. Sorry, but this is an unfair characterization of Business grads.
quote: Originally posted by: Co "RC I understand that many will see it differently, but that is the way that many, many of the Alumni feel...the ones who graduated from the CBA anyways. Remember, not everyone shares your opinion, just like I don't share your opinions. I am flabbergasted that intelligent people have the opinions that are viewed on this board, because virtually nobody I know (family, friends, business associates) share your views. But, I also understand that it's a very good chance that nobody you associate with shares my views either. We live in different worlds, you live in academia, I live in the world of business and finance. There is not much common ground there."
Totally untrue. I know many USM alums who are successful in their fields (including BUSINESS) who are thoughtful and well-reasoned in their arguments. Sorry, but this is an unfair characterization of Business grads.
Nope not a troll, I'm Lanny Mixon, one of the owners of EagleTalk.
Also, thank you (pike_eagle) for your subscription to EagleTalk.net. I know which of you is pike_eagle on EagleTalk.net, but it would be a violation of privacy if I told everyone. But thanks anyways, it really helps my traffic.
Why do you guys slam me for an opinion. Is this the type of board where you get jumped on for having a decenting opine?
I have not slammed either of your friends, I have expressed an opinion that we will now have a University where accountability is a laughable concept. Sorry but that's the way I feel.
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quote: Originally posted by: CV - Lanny Mixon "Nope not a troll, I'm Lanny Mixon, one of the owners of EagleTalk. Also, thank you (pike_eagle) for your subscription to EagleTalk.net. I know which of you is pike_eagle on EagleTalk.net, but it would be a violation of privacy if I told everyone. But thanks anyways, it really helps my traffic. Why do you guys slam me for an opinion. Is this the type of board where you get jumped on for having a decenting opine? I have not slammed either of your friends, I have expressed an opinion that we will now have a University where accountability is a laughable concept. Sorry but that's the way I feel."
LOL! And thanks for linking to my site.
Glad you Eagle Mumblers are visiting--it broadens your horizons to leave that dark dungeon of a message board on the other side of the net once in awhile.
quote: Originally posted by: CV - Lanny Mixon "Nope not a troll, I'm Lanny Mixon, one of the owners of EagleTalk. Also, thank you (pike_eagle) for your subscription to EagleTalk.net. I know which of you is pike_eagle on EagleTalk.net, but it would be a violation of privacy if I told everyone. But thanks anyways, it really helps my traffic. Why do you guys slam me for an opinion. Is this the type of board where you get jumped on for having a decenting opine? I have not slammed either of your friends, I have expressed an opinion that we will now have a University where accountability is a laughable concept. Sorry but that's the way I feel."
Wait a minute, Lanny. You're questioning what could be considered changed rules in accountability? You run Eagle Talk?? Right? What makes what you do and who works for you any different from what many of us have gone through working at his 4 toes off world class university??
quote: Originally posted by: CV - Lanny Mixon "Nope not a troll, I'm Lanny Mixon, one of the owners of EagleTalk. Also, thank you (pike_eagle) for your subscription to EagleTalk.net. I know which of you is pike_eagle on EagleTalk.net, but it would be a violation of privacy if I told everyone. But thanks anyways, it really helps my traffic. Why do you guys slam me for an opinion. Is this the type of board where you get jumped on for having a decenting opine? I have not slammed either of your friends, I have expressed an opinion that we will now have a University where accountability is a laughable concept. Sorry but that's the way I feel."
You're implied threat against Pike Eagle doesn't sit well with me either. How red is your neck???
quote: Originally posted by: Lanny Mixon "educator You guys have pointed out that I am not very bright, so you're going to have to try again on that last question. Yes, I am part owner of EagleTalk.net, but that is a hobby. I own my own business here in Hattiesburg that relates to banking and finance."
Good for you...I hope your secretary can spell better than you. So, what is the name of your business?
quote: Originally posted by: Co "RC I understand that many will see it differently, but that is the way that many, many of the Alumni feel...the ones who graduated from the CBA anyways. Remember, not everyone shares your opinion, just like I don't share your opinions. I am flabbergasted that intelligent people have the opinions that are viewed on this board, because virtually nobody I know (family, friends, business associates) share your views. But, I also understand that it's a very good chance that nobody you associate with shares my views either. We live in different worlds, you live in academia, I live in the world of business and finance. There is not much common ground there."
"Business and Finance" people don't think? Hey, CBA - you don't teach your students to think anymore? I believe that you, sir (or madam), are delusional. Companies that treat their employees the way that USM's administration treats its faculty would be unionized and struck against - even in the anti-union state of Mississippi! Company executives who engage in the kind of corruption running rampant in the administration of this university would be forced out and indicted by watchful Boards of Directors. Companies that sell inferior quality products in the way that this university is attempting to do in multiple departments would lose customers and be bankrupt. Companies that flout the rules of their regulatory agencies in the way that USM is endangering its accrediting bodies, would have serious sanctions imposed upon them. Perhaps most importantly, companies with 93% of their employees feeling demoralized and abused by their managers would see a change in management. Shouldn't this university as well?
quote: Originally posted by: CV - Lanny Mixon "Nope not a troll, I'm Lanny Mixon, one of the owners of EagleTalk. Also, thank you (pike_eagle) for your subscription to EagleTalk.net. I know which of you is pike_eagle on EagleTalk.net, but it would be a violation of privacy if I told everyone. But thanks anyways, it really helps my traffic. Why do you guys slam me for an opinion. Is this the type of board where you get jumped on for having a decenting opine? I have not slammed either of your friends, I have expressed an opinion that we will now have a University where accountability is a laughable concept. Sorry but that's the way I feel."
Sorry, can't help myself...did you mean dissenting?
Yes, in fact my secretary can spell quite well. I also have a great appreciation for spell check as you may imagin.
What is interesting is how many of you guys seem to want to degrade me without warrent? It seems you have done little more than insult me.
As for pike_eagle, not a treat to anyone I am not mean sprited like that. I don't even think it's necessary to form a committee to investigate pike_eagle.
As for what business I own in Hattiesburg, I will be glad to share that with you as soon as you reveal your real name.....a SSI# would be helpful. Not planning to use it for illegal purposes, just need it for "research purposes". I'm sure you guys understand.
If you don't care to do that, ask around, you will find that a good number of folks in Hattiesburg know me. I am quite certain that most of the Professors in the CBA or CBED will remember me....probably for my spelling.
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And Lanny, I'm sorry I didn't say this earlier - at least you have the guts to face - what you know will be - the line of fire. That CC/PP guy did the same thing. And, if you are who all claim to be - at least you are willing to enter into this dialogue.
Oddly enough, we responded to one another at the same time. There are some serious reasons why I can't give my name and I think you already know that -- so much for that issue. However, there will be a day that I will gladly sit down with you face to face and have a spirited debate about this. Want to call me out on this? Just email me personally.
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By all means I love a good debate...at least face-to-face you can't see that I can't spell...because that's the only way people ever solve anything. I don't fear spirited conversation with someone of an opposing view...what fun would life be if we all agreeded on everything.
I am sure that there are poeple thumbing through the yellow pages trying to find my business so they can pickett or boycott or whatever...oh well.
I think that you may be the sort of individual that can debate and discuss views without being mean spirited....many here prove they can't.
Feel free to email me anytime:
lanny@eagletalk.net
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Heaven forbid lil ole conservative me should defend the University of California at Berkeley, but I have to share a funny -- a good friend of mine was a visiting prof there, and told me that at Berkeley, when you win the Nobel Prize, you get a parking spot with your name on it. Claimed the parking was almost as important as the Nobel! But we could do worse than emulate to some degree a university which regularly turns out Nobel laureates. Maybe if Dr. Thames would go back to the science which is his true calling, he could win one for USM.
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quote: Originally posted by: Lanny Mixon "That email acts up from time to time....if you get a funny error message... just use lannym820@aol.com"
Hey, Lanny! Guess what...you scared me so bad with your "threats" that I've outed myself! I'm Pike Eagle! Boo!
Just having a little fun with the uptight conservatives on a slow day...is there a law against that?
PS--Read the rules before posting on this message board. We ADMIT we have an agenda (to fire Shelby Thames). It's a forum for discussing ways to get that done. We're transparent that way. I didn't see such a disclaimer on your Eagle Net...just a few guys that mostly need to go back and retake English 101 and Critical Thinking 101. Good luck.
quote: Originally posted by: Faze2 ""Business and Finance" people don't think? Hey, CBA - you don't teach your students to think anymore? I believe that you, sir (or madam), are delusional. Companies that treat their employees the way that USM's administration treats its faculty would be unionized and struck against - even in the anti-union state of Mississippi! Company executives who engage in the kind of corruption running rampant in the administration of this university would be forced out and indicted by watchful Boards of Directors. Companies that sell inferior quality products in the way that this university is attempting to do in multiple departments would lose customers and be bankrupt. Companies that flout the rules of their regulatory agencies in the way that USM is endangering its accrediting bodies, would have serious sanctions imposed upon them. Perhaps most importantly, companies with 93% of their employees feeling demoralized and abused by their managers would see a change in management. Shouldn't this university as well?"
OK Lenny, if we ignore my statement that you're delusional, would this qualify as a response worthy of stimulating a debate? On another thread, I promised that I wouldn't correct spelling anymore and acknowledged that it doesn't count in cyberspace...bring it on!
quote: Originally posted by: Conservative Voice "Southern Miss become without a doubt the most liberalized campus between Austin and Athens. I know that most of you are 100% in favor of this, but many alumns who are out in the 'real world' see this as losing the University who we so loved."
There are more than a few alumni who don't want to see the university return to the McCain era. I'm one of them.
<SARCASM> But cheer up, you'll be delighted to know that USM is about to begin its return to 2nd class status behind the state's two "real" universities just like back in the good ole days. </SARCASM>
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On a day when Shelby Thames is still President, Angelina Dvorak is still Vice President, and Jack Hanbury is apparently getting official status with the state Attorney General's office, it sure doesn't look as though the professors at USM are able to do anything they please.
I don't know of any university where professors could do anything they please. For instance, I don't know of any where professors, instead of administrators, decide what their salary and benefits are going to be.
A lot of folks in the business world don't know how universities work. (To be fair, I have colleagues in academia who don't know how businesses work, and thoughtlessly slam business management, the corporate world, etc. I worked for a major corporation before I came to Clemson, so I try to take a more balanced perspective.) Consequently they are overly impressed by the loud talk of individuals like Shelby Thames who have no clear plan for the institution, and no respect for its mission, but insist that giving them all the power they want will make the university function better.
The fact is that many of these highly ambitious university administrators just aren't good managers. I doubt Thames or Dvorak or Hanbury or Malone would last a month in a highly competitive business environment--they'd all be too busy ordering their employees to march over a cliff to notice which other enterprise was starting to eat their lunch. People like Dvorak are failed academics (don't want to teach, can't do research) who know that administration is their best shot (and think that being administrators makes them superior to teachers and researchers). People like Thames can cut it in research but have egos that can't be adequately fed unless they are jerking other people around.
Case in point: a former president of Clemson, who was run out in 1994 for doubling the size of the administration and making sure that the big raises went to his favored administrators, not to professors, was given a high-ranking executive position by a big donor to the university. The guy lasted less than a year as a business executive. I'll bet the reviews of his performance were devastating. He went back into academic administration, becoming president of a small college in another state, and after a few years was run out of there for doing the same stuff he'd done at Clemson.
So keep the university's mission in mind, when you evaluate its top administrators. And instead of absorbing their rhetoric about how they want to run the university like a business, ask yourself whether they would be able to keep a real business enterprise on a profitable path, or run it into the ground.
A guy with Thames' management style would ruin most companies, if they were foolish enough to put him in charge.
Robert Campbell
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quote: Originally posted by: Robert Campbell " A guy with Thames' management style would ruin most companies, if they were foolish enough to put him in charge. "
That was an excellent piece of writin', sir. Excellent.
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Lanny - does being compared to a "liberal" university frighten you? Despite all of our allegiance to USM, reality is that the only school in Mississippi within a 10-mile reach of Cal's elite status as a university is Millsaps College. Granted, it is a private university with high tuition, but it is still the premier university in this state. My point being, I wouldn't be too ashamed to be a part of a "liberal" university if it brought the prestige that some of the "liberal" universities have that you fear with it....
Spelling often does indicate how educated you are. Let me tell you something... you are hitting the bottom of the barrel in the "education department" right now.
Why should anyone pay attention to a jerk who cannot spell a common word? (Or many common words, now that I look back on the thread. )
A conversation with you is like a conversation with a child.
quote: Originally posted by: BogusBoy "Dear Lanny, or Lonnie, Lennie?? Guess what? Spelling often does indicate how educated you are. Let me tell you something... you are hitting the bottom of the barrel in the "education department" right now. Why should anyone pay attention to a jerk who cannot spell a common word? (Or many common words, now that I look back on the thread. ) A conversation with you is like a conversation with a child. Lanny wanna cookie? "
Let's not do this sort of thing. Spelling is a skill like music. I know and have worked for brilliant people who can't spell worth a flip, including members of my own family. Let's grapple with people based on their ideas, not their possible dyslexia or whatever - - - my own son is a poor speller, but is outstanding in his area and makes about four times what I made at USM, and is intelligent and articulate. Lay off, okay?
quote: Originally posted by: former-staffer "Let's not do this sort of thing. Spelling is a skill like music. I know and have worked for brilliant people who can't spell worth a flip, including members of my own family. Let's grapple with people based on their ideas, not their possible dyslexia or whatever - - - my own son is a poor speller, but is outstanding in his area and makes about four times what I made at USM, and is intelligent and articulate. Lay off, okay?"
A person... a GROWN person, would care enough to look it UP.
quote: Originally posted by: former-staffer "Let's not do this sort of thing. Spelling is a skill like music. I know and have worked for brilliant people who can't spell worth a flip, including members of my own family. Let's grapple with people based on their ideas, not their possible dyslexia or whatever - - - my own son is a poor speller, but is outstanding in his area and makes about four times what I made at USM, and is intelligent and articulate. Lay off, okay?"
A person... a GROWN person, would care enough to look it UP.
The fact is that the English language is the most powerful tool we have! It is awesome when used correctly. It is horrible when used in a wrong way. People WILL measure you and your capabilities by your command of (or destruction of) the English language.
So, no excuses. A simple error here or there is expected, especially when fingers are tired and the day is ending. But repeated mistakes like his are really telling!
quote: Originally posted by: Conservative Voice "Well today sent a clear message, the University is being turned over completely to the faculty. You guys won, you got what you wanted. We will have a University that will completely be dominated by a faculty who will have zero accountability to anyone, about anything. You guys will now be allowed to freely drink, or use any other substance you choose while on the taxpayer dole. You will have free rain to work as little as you want for the large salaries that you recieve, and will have to answer to no-one. Southern Miss become without a doubt the most liberalized campus between Austin and Athens. I know that most of you are 100% in favor of this, but many alumns who are out in the 'real world' see this as losing the University who we so loved. I will miss the Southern Miss that I have grown to love."
This note is directed to "Conservative Voice" who, referring to USM faculty members, said "You will have free rain [sic] to work and live as you want for the large salaries that you receive." Well, "Conservative Voice," The USM faculty salaries are pitifully low. Yet, these dedicated professors spend a lifetime career providing their students the requisites for entering medical school, law school, and business and industry. USM faculty members watch with pride as their former students become successful --professionally, personally, and financially. Yes, "Conservative Voice," many of the students educated by the USM faculty have become fabulously wealthy. Some even become millionaires. Some become internationally known in the arts and sciences. So just why do you want to bash this dedicated group of unselfish faculty members whose grossly underpaid efforts are dedicated toward educating your children and providing them with critical thinking skills, knowledge, and opportunities?
quote: Originally posted by: Mississippian in Exile "This note is directed to "Conservative Voice" who, referring to USM faculty members, said "You will have free rain [sic] to work and live as you want for the large salaries that you receive." Well, "Conservative Voice," The USM faculty salaries are pitifully low. Yet, these dedicated professors spend a lifetime career providing their students the requisites for entering medical school, law school, and business and industry. USM faculty members watch with pride as their former students become successful --professionally, personally, and financially. Yes, "Conservative Voice," many of the students educated by the USM faculty have become fabulously wealthy. Some even become millionaires. Some become internationally known in the arts and sciences. So just why do you want to bash this dedicated group of unselfish faculty members whose grossly underpaid efforts are dedicated toward educating your children and providing them with critical thinking skills, knowledge, and opportunities? "
Well Said, Exile. Universities exist for a reason, so do businesses, churches, the military. If you change the nature of the University, it becomes something else, something less that what is expected. I don't know of anyone who pays tuition to send their child to a business or the military to learn, do you? In fact, I think churches, businesses and the military have decided it is a good thing to have leaders who have been to University! Unfortunately, if Dr. Thames persists, this will no longer be a University.
quote: Originally posted by: Mississippian in Exile "This note is directed to "Conservative Voice" who, referring to USM faculty members, said "You will have free rain [sic] to work and live as you want for the large salaries that you receive." Well, "Conservative Voice," The USM faculty salaries are pitifully low. Yet, these dedicated professors spend a lifetime career providing their students the requisites for entering medical school, law school, and business and industry. USM faculty members watch with pride as their former students become successful --professionally, personally, and financially. Yes, "Conservative Voice," many of the students educated by the USM faculty have become fabulously wealthy. Some even become millionaires. Some become internationally known in the arts and sciences. So just why do you want to bash this dedicated group of unselfish faculty members whose grossly underpaid efforts are dedicated toward educating your children and providing them with critical thinking skills, knowledge, and opportunities? "
Well Said, Exile. Universities exist for a reason, so do businesses, churches, the military. If you change the nature of the University, it becomes something else, something less that what is expected. I don't know of anyone who pays tuition to send their child to a business or the military to learn, do you? In fact, I think churches, businesses and the military have decided it is a good thing to have leaders who have been to University! Unfortunately, if Dr. Thames persists, this will no longer be a University.