Indications of where things might be headed...

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Indications of where things might be headed...

Date: May 5, 2004

That may be the first time in the history of its publication that the Clarion-Ledger referred to USM as a "great educational institution"...

Date: May 5, 2004

The IHL is going to allow Roy Klumb to clean up this mess with the able guidance of their hand picked leader, Dr. Thames.

Yes, and you are right, he needs to quickly clean this mess up.

Do I see more locks being changed?

Date: May 5, 2004

It's over, Thames is gone. Bet on it.

Eye now NOT on USM, 'cause I'm not appling for the job.

NO QUARTER = NO THAMES

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quote:
Originally posted by: ThamesSide
"The IHL is going to allow Roy Klumb to clean up this mess with the able guidance of their hand picked leader, Dr. Thames. Yes, and you are right, he needs to quickly clean this mess up. Do I see more locks being changed?"

Yes, you do. Two gilded ones:

1) Hanbury's

2) Thames

And then others shortly thereafter.

Date: May 5, 2004

OK Fire Shelby. Fair enough.

I am serious and I was at the party.

You people have NO idea what you are up against and I am so surprised you don't see it.

I am done posting. You can have at the lunacy of the fairy tale you perpetuate on this board.

And to the "whining professor" who criticized my spelling, it was a "typo" idot.

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quote:
Originally posted by: Shelby's Right
"OK Fire Shelby. Fair enough. I am serious and I was at the party. You people have NO idea what you are up against and I am so surprised you don't see it. I am done posting. You can have at the lunacy of the fairy tale you perpetuate on this board. And to the "whining professor" who criticized my spelling, it was a "typo" idot. "

I have no doubt now that this is satire. LOL! Whomever you are, thank you for the best laugh I have had all week.

I might just change my user name to "idot." I like that!

Bye bye, now. Come again.

Date: May 5, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Shelby's Right
"OK Fire Shelby. Fair enough. I am serious and I was at the party. You people have NO idea what you are up against and I am so surprised you don't see it. I am done posting. You can have at the lunacy of the fairy tale you perpetuate on this board. And to the "whining professor" who criticized my spelling, it was a "typo" idot. "

Should that be "it was a 'typo,' idiot"??

Date: May 5, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Shelby's Right
"OK Fire Shelby. Fair enough. I am serious and I was at the party. You people have NO idea what you are up against and I am so surprised you don't see it. I am done posting. You can have at the lunacy of the fairy tale you perpetuate on this board. And to the "whining professor" who criticized my spelling, it was a "typo" idot. "

I think that you are very wrong if you think that we don't know what we're up against. I don't have to go to some phoney baloney party at So-and-So's big house to know that we're up against the entire corrupt executive network of Mississippi. It's a system in which people generally treat appointments like party invitations or popularity contests, and accountability is virtually nonexistent. I hope that the IHL proves me wrong on these two points.

As far as your ideas in an earlier post praising Thames as a businessman, I think you've probably not had much business experience. A good manager/leader does not alienate some of the school's biggest donors and thereby lose their funding, nor does he set managerial precedents that make "employees" leave in droves and frighten away the best potential "job applicants". Nor does a good businessman intentionally alienate the press and repeatedly embarass those who had enough faith in him to appoint him to his high position.

If our state's universities are destined to be run businesses, I think that most of us would at least like to see a competent businessman/woman at the helm, not a clumsy snapping turtle who'll "stick his neck out" for his good 'ole buddies. Thames' leadership will not bring about a positive future for USM, Mississippi or the IHL. It seems like the IHL members have ended up sticking their necks out for him alot more than he has lately. I'm sure that many of the board members are beginning to realize, if they had not previously, that if you stick your neck out too far your head might just end up getting chopped off.

No Quarter=No Thames

Date: May 5, 2004

I hear you.

Now a question.

Just "who" is going to chop their heads off?

I'd like to agree and every other hour or so I do, but it seems to me on the odd hours that they have collectively, at least the 7 staunch supporters (if that is to be believed), decided to stick their necks out for this turtle, no matter what, barring crimminal facts. Mismanagement and misrepresentation seems to be OK with them. I doubt it would for Ole Miss or Mississippi State. No, I KNOW it wouldn't.

I think we see some good evidence for the "fix is in conspiracy" theory here. Hope I'm wrong.

Barring the conflict of interest "new" board member, the best we can hope for in the foreseeable future to see this "mess" for what it is is maybe one of four, and NOT our representative, Ms. Robinson, with all due respect to her.

SFT's grip on the board I think will intensify. Roy will perhaps be able to pull it off.

But, to to the original question, barring proven crimminality of a high degree, who is going to chop off Roy Klumb's head, or Ross's head?

I think the AG is not happy about this, but it is not Ole Miss or Mississippi State or a black school. It is "just" Southern Miss, and they can "count" on that S. Mississippi Republican vote, guaranteed no matter what they do.........maybe a big mistake.......

The governor is too mired in DH issues and K-12 education, and he has not lived up to his campaign promises, and I voted for him. I see little short term relief in the governor.

Now, the worst problem is the legistature, where the good ole boy, uneducated contempt for higher education is manifest. If you think they have contempt for K-12, get a load of their contempt for higher ed. THIS group is the real problem, and I do truly believe the IHL has found aid and comfort to the legislature's cause.

Now, how do we surmount that obstacle, assuming the AG may be, and I said "may", corrupt.

I am beginning to wonder about judge Anderson, his "fairness" and "civil rights" career aside. Yes, I read his bio from professor Bolton. I see little of that left in "corportate" Anderson, who did what he was ordered to do.

So, the bottom line is that I would not be too confident at all that anyone's heads will roll or be chopped off. They seem to have infinite cover,until they become too heavy for politicos to carry. Our politicos are olympic weight lifters in this regard.

Date: May 5, 2004

Hellgirl, you are hell, and I like that.

Date: May 5, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Greedy
"I hear you. Now a question. Just "who" is going to chop their heads off? . . . until they become too heavy for politicos to carry. Our politicos are olympic weight lifters in this regard."

Actually your final phrase says it. This administration will never get changed because the people who have the power to do it believe they were wrong to appoint Thames in the first place or we are right to oppose him.

They will act because the embarrassment rises to too high a level; they will act because they will come to believe that this insurgency won't end because this administration had no credibility left; they will act because the chaos at this university is becoming too great, too damaging, and too long lasting to ignore.

We are now beyond rationality. Where we are is in a crisis of power: will it be their power to punish or our power to resist which will win? I'm really not a warlike person and don't like to frame it like this but we are now acting within the very brutal logic of a power struggle.

Date: May 5, 2004

PP is correct.

His frame of reference is right on.

Will the "passion" fade out? Good question. I wonder. It will as time goes on, if the "fix in in."

The media is no help whatsoever. That includes the local and national media. Without that, it will be very very very diffult to maintain sufficient pressure and SFT knows this.

Date: May 5, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Greedy
"I hear you. Now a question. Just "who" is going to chop their heads off? I'd like to agree and every other hour or so I do, but it seems to me on the odd hours that they have collectively, at least the 7 staunch supporters (if that is to be believed), decided to stick their necks out for this turtle, no matter what, barring crimminal facts. Mismanagement and misrepresentation seems to be OK with them. I doubt it would for Ole Miss or Mississippi State. No, I KNOW it wouldn't. I think we see some good evidence for the "fix is in conspiracy" theory here. Hope I'm wrong. Barring the conflict of interest "new" board member, the best we can hope for in the foreseeable future to see this "mess" for what it is is maybe one of four, and NOT our representative, Ms. Robinson, with all due respect to her. SFT's grip on the board I think will intensify. Roy will perhaps be able to pull it off. But, to to the original question, barring proven crimminality of a high degree, who is going to chop off Roy Klumb's head, or Ross's head? I think the AG is not happy about this, but it is not Ole Miss or Mississippi State or a black school. It is "just" Southern Miss, and they can "count" on that S. Mississippi Republican vote, guaranteed no matter what they do.........maybe a big mistake....... The governor is too mired in DH issues and K-12 education, and he has not lived up to his campaign promises, and I voted for him. I see little short term relief in the governor. Now, the worst problem is the legistature, where the good ole boy, uneducated contempt for higher education is manifest. If you think they have contempt for K-12, get a load of their contempt for higher ed. THIS group is the real problem, and I do truly believe the IHL has found aid and comfort to the legislature's cause. Now, how do we surmount that obstacle, assuming the AG may be, and I said "may", corrupt. I am beginning to wonder about judge Anderson, his "fairness" and "civil rights" career aside. Yes, I read his bio from professor Bolton. I see little of that left in "corportate" Anderson, who did what he was ordered to do. So, the bottom line is that I would not be too confident at all that anyone's heads will roll or be chopped off. They seem to have infinite cover,until they become too heavy for politicos to carry. Our politicos are olympic weight lifters in this regard."

Maybe I got lost in my own metaphor, but what I was implying was that perhaps board members may be concerned about their appointees' actions reflecting negatively on them. I wasn't implying that I or the governor or even the feds would "chop off their heads". I was implying that they may want to worry about chopping off their own by letting sloppy and inept appointees run willy-nilly with the keys to the institutions for which IHL is responsible. Hey, maybe I'm overly optimistic, and maybe I'm not. Maybe if the IHL might not be too concerned about USM's mismanagement per se, they might eventually balk at the hassle factor created by their appointees.