CBED in the PUC game!

Date: May 10, 2004

CBED in the PUC game!

Date: May 10, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: broker
"Just got an e-mail from my CBED contact stating that Trellis Green was named faculty rep from CBED for the PUC. Anyone know anything about him (e-mail didn't give any more info)?
broker"

He is a member of Faculty Senate.

Date: May 10, 2004

Green will be okay. The problem with this sort of body is that Thames will be sitting at the table --- a very chilling proposition for anyone, even someone who has spoken out against him via faculty votes, etc.

Date: May 10, 2004

College of Health listserv received a memo from Dean Exline this a. m. stating that COH representatives to PUC would be the following:

The plan was for the deans to accept nominations for a faculty position, a graduate student (from CoH), and a staff member to participate from our College. Most of the chairs have forwarded names to me.

However, two chairs want us to actually elect the representatives. Because the first meeting is Wednesday and I would like to have our college represented, I took the nominations and pulled names out of a box. The names that have been selected to represent our College include:

Ø Miriam Cabana – staff

Ø Tim Scheet – faculty

Ø David Johnson – graduate student

Looks like she met a little resistence in her nominees to PUC.

Date: May 10, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Anon
"College of Health listserv received a memo from Dean Exline this a. m. stating that COH representatives to PUC would be the following:

The plan was for the deans to accept nominations for a faculty position, a graduate student (from CoH), and a staff member to participate from our College. Most of the chairs have forwarded names to me.

However, two chairs want us to actually elect the representatives. Because the first meeting is Wednesday and I would like to have our college represented, I took the nominations and pulled names out of a box. The names that have been selected to represent our College include:

Ø Miriam Cabana – staff

Ø Tim Scheet – faculty

Ø David Johnson – graduate student

Looks like she met a little resistence in her nominees to PUC."

Yeah, right....should read "I pulled names out of a box, threw the ones who wouldn't agree with the prez on the floor and found 3 who would. That's shared governance at work!"

Date: May 10, 2004

I may be wrong but I believe Tim Sheett was a very good friend of Ronnie Evans and thought highly of Terrry Kinney so I can't beleive he would be one of Thame's supporters. However, he is not tenured and that would be a extraordinarily difficult position to be in.

Date: May 10, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: dismayed
"I may be wrong but he (may not be) tenured and that would be a extraordinarily difficult position to be in. "

Students and staff are defenseless (without tenure) and are not in a position to speak forth. To place a nontenured faculty member in this positon is unacceptable, regretable and unfortuneate. I hope all untenured faculty will decline the position to concentrate on grant funding. Old men and women of wisdom with tenure and the rank of Professor should lead the charge, it is our time and our duty.

Date: May 10, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Brutus
"Students and staff are defenseless (without tenure) and are not in a position to speak forth. To place a nontenured faculty member in this positon is unacceptable, regretable and unfortuneate. I hope all untenured faculty will decline the position to concentrate on grant funding. Old men and women of wisdom with tenure and the rank of Professor should lead the charge, it is our time and our duty."

I'd suggest that if we want to "heal" the administration first needs to make some real overtures showing that it is capable of changing its ways. It could begin first by declaring that it will no longer authorize any surveillance acitivity on any professor, student or faculty member until a new technology security document is worked out in consilulation with the offended parties.

A second genuine gesture would also be to repudiate Roy Klumb's assertion that Dr. Thames came here to "clean house." How on earth are we to be expected to "heal" when we have been told by the incoming President of the Board and the President himself (if David Elliott is to be believed) that this is his purpose here?

Failing in that or in some other concrete action I'd say there is no reason for any faculty member on this campus to believe that this administration is sincere in its now well publicised attempt to "heal" our wounds. Feel good "counsels" don't cut it. The administration has some concrete initiatives it could make and must make if it is going to show that its words reach deeper than gaining headlines in the American and WDAM.

Date: May 10, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Brutus
"Students and staff are defenseless (without tenure) and are not in a position to speak forth. To place a nontenured faculty member in this positon is unacceptable, regretable and unfortuneate. I hope all untenured faculty will decline the position to concentrate on grant funding. Old men and women of wisdom with tenure and the rank of Professor should lead the charge, it is our time and our duty."

Looks to me they're pretty defenseless with tenure too. Or better put, defenseless if they don't have enough money to hire a good attorney. Does anyone really think that SFT has "learned" any ethical behavior from the last couple of months?

Date: May 10, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: educator
"Looks to me they're pretty defenseless with tenure too. Or better put, defenseless if they don't have enough money to hire a good attorney. Does anyone really think that SFT has "learned" any ethical behavior from the last couple of months?"

Short answer: NO

Long answer: NO

Date: May 10, 2004

Just saw some "righteous" FACSEN people slamming CBED's PUC guy. Wonder who I am? They all but called him an idot. "They" obviously have NO idea what that guy stood up against with NO help from anyone.

I think he is anything BUT "coopted." Some people have no idea what "they" are talking about and they need to learn their history.

Date: May 10, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Inside
"Just saw some "righteous" FACSEN people slamming CBED's PUC guy. Wonder who I am? They all but called him an idot. "They" obviously have NO idea what that guy stood up against with NO help from anyone. I think he is anything BUT "coopted." Some people have no idea what "they" are talking about and they need to learn their history."

Slamming???? Troll, slam yourself.

Date: May 10, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Inside
"Just saw some "righteous" FACSEN people slamming CBED's PUC guy. Wonder who I am? They all but called him an idot. "They" obviously have NO idea what that guy stood up against with NO help from anyone. I think he is anything BUT "coopted." Some people have no idea what "they" are talking about and they need to learn their history."

He said, "Idot!"

Date: May 10, 2004

Truth, you have a quicker i than i!!!!!

Date: May 10, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: educator
"Truth, you have a quicker i than i!!!!!"

"Idot" is one of my favorite terms to come out of this board....and thanks to all the trolls who keep bringing it to our attention!

Date: May 11, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: broker
"Just got an e-mail from my CBED contact stating that Trellis Green was named faculty rep from CBED for the PUC. Anyone know anything about him (e-mail didn't give any more info)? broker"

Well, I've known Trellis Green from the Faculty Senate, and he's NOT a fan of SFT, so there is hope that he'll speak his mind, and serve as a 'voice of conscience' on the PUC.

On the other hand, we've already seen just how tenured status is no guarantee of protection against reprisals for anyone who doesn't agree with the administration.

Date: May 11, 2004

Now, I'm just an outside observer (although not the Outside Observer), so I'd like to get thoughts from folks on-campus...

Even if PUC is nothing but a charade, is Thames dumb enough not to make it appear that he's open to suggestions, etc.? I mean, there might even be "plants" in the council whose role is to make it look like their is open discussion of issues. The proof of the pudding is whether any substantive administrative action is taken based on what is said or done in PUC, right?

Thoughts?

Date: May 11, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: Invictus
"Now, I'm just an outside observer (although not the Outside Observer), so I'd like to get thoughts from folks on-campus... Even if PUC is nothing but a charade, is Thames dumb enough not to make it appear that he's open to suggestions, etc.? I mean, there might even be "plants" in the council whose role is to make it look like their is open discussion of issues. The proof of the pudding is whether any substantive administrative action is taken based on what is said or done in PUC, right? Thoughts?"

Thoughts: The PUC will probably meet once before Summer Break. Will it have itself together enough to arrives at some concrete proposals? Maybe. Folks like Trellis will probably suggested Thames begin by meeting the requests of the Senate on emai, on FOIA requests, etc.

But then there is the summer -- and who is going to keep track of what SFT does through that period?

And given this administrations tendencies, who can see at this point whether what is given with one hand will get taken away with the other.

I have lots of faith in some individuals on the PUC. I have zero faith in the good faith of the administration.

Obviously, if the PUC can be used to extract some real action, then that would be good. Given the timing, I'm dubious. I think we'll comeback from the summer and the administration will even be more entrenched and the PUC will be a thing of the past . . .

Date: May 11, 2004

Yep...big differences between a stated goal and an enacted goal. Stated goals are often nothing more than PR..image building. An enacted goal is one in which the organization actually tries to accomplish (i.e., takes actions, expends resources). Unless there is some behavioral change, it's just PR.

quote:

Originally posted by: Invictus
"Now, I'm just an outside observer (although not the Outside Observer), so I'd like to get thoughts from folks on-campus... Even if PUC is nothing but a charade, is Thames dumb enough not to make it appear that he's open to suggestions, etc.? I mean, there might even be "plants" in the council whose role is to make it look like their is open discussion of issues. The proof of the pudding is whether any substantive administrative action is taken based on what is said or done in PUC, right? Thoughts?"

Date: May 11, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: Invictus
"Now, I'm just an outside observer (although not the Outside Observer), so I'd like to get thoughts from folks on-campus... Even if PUC is nothing but a charade, is Thames dumb enough not to make it appear that he's open to suggestions, etc.? I mean, there might even be "plants" in the council whose role is to make it look like their is open discussion of issues. The proof of the pudding is whether any substantive administrative action is taken based on what is said or done in PUC, right? Thoughts?"

Thames will do anything that is in the best interests of his EGO. I hope somebody from this board does show up to listen to what they have to say and then could let the other people accessing this board know what was said. If I was still at that university, I'd (a) only being going because I was forced to go; (b) remain angry that my morning was being completely wasted on nonessential banter - a bogus charade.

Date: May 11, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Doubting Thomas
" Yeah, right....should read "I pulled names out of a box, threw the ones who wouldn't agree with the prez on the floor and found 3 who would. That's shared governance at work!""

Whoever "Doubting Thomas" is, he is wrong -- dead wrong -- to assume what he does without speaking with the parties involved. You will notice that my name is on this post, not some nickname. I understand that the most desirable route to a peaceful resolution short of Dr. Thames' resignation would be for him to meet with the elected bodies such as Faculty Senate, Graduate Council, Staff Council, and others to seek resolution. I also understand the fear and division that is rampant on this campus. To be honest, I'm a little afraid, too. I'm a graduate assistant and I'm here on the basis of tuition waivers/stipends. Could these be revoked in the coming year? Will they be endangered if I speak my mind? Maybe. It's a risk. Is it worth the risk? Well, only if you believe in what you are about at an academic institution.

For the record, I stated in a newspaper interview published in this morning's Hattiesburg American that I agreed to serve on the PUC because "I think it is important that we try to find some resolution to the current situation in the university." I went on further to say that "I intend to go to the first meeting with an open mind and a spirit of trying to accomplish something." Let me more closely define for the readers of this board what I mean. An open mind doesn't mean a lack of commitment. It means a willingness to listen, to seek truth and to reach understanding. Isn't that what academic inquiry is about?

As for a "spirit of trying to accomplish something," it has been suggested on this board that the PUC members may not be prepared for this meeting. I have spent considerable time over the last couple of days preparing myself for this meeting. To make it clear to all, I have been a vocal opponent of the firings of Drs. Glamser and Stringer along with other failed policies that I have seen during my first year at USM.

This is my statement of commitment to the university community:

1) I believe in collegial leadership and shared governance in any university or college. I also believe in shared responsibility. My impression to date is that we haven't seen enough of any of these three attributes.

2) I believe in academic freedom and the need for protection of tenured faculty for the preservation of that freedom.

3) I believe we have an incredibly strong faculty, at least those I have the pleasure to work with and learn under. I believe many of them have taken stands at great personal risk, and I don't just mean Drs. Glamser and Stringer. I admire people who stand up for their beliefs and I appreciate those who have stood for the students.

4) I believe the elected bodies of the university (Faculty Senate, SGA, Staff Council, Graduate Council, and others) are the best venue for representing the views of the universities various constituencies.

5) I believe in the right of privacy in all forms of communication except for illegal communication. I believe in freedom of speech, freedom of the press and all the other consitutional and human rights we are supposed to possess as Americans and human beings. I believe the University needs a firm policy that safeguards the electronic and other communications of its members and which assures that any monitoring of such communications is done in the context of due process and with legal procedures in place to protect the communicators.

6) While a university may produce plastic chairs and paint, build commercial parks and obtain millions in grant funding (all of which may be very good things), t believe that the true product of a functional univeristy is its faculty and students, the scholarship of both, and the lives they touch through their efforts in the context of university and as they reach out into the larger world. I see these incalculably valuable products when I hear our Choral Activities department perform as they did this past Friday night. I saw these products when I received care from medical personnel and social workers during a recent hospitalization, many of whom were trained here at Southern Miss. I see these products when I see unpaid interns in social work, education, nursing, psychology and many other disciplines at work in the Hattiesburg community making life better for the people of this impoverished state.

7) I believe that serious mistakes have been made over the past two years that have led us to the current state of turmoil within our university. I believe this situation can be rectified in some manner to restore the university to functionality and to move it forward in ways that far exceed our wildest dreams.

8) I believe I am only one person out of 15,000+ (who is counting?) but I am one. I can only stand for what I believe. I hope this document has made that stance clear. I don't have all the answers, maybe not even any of the answers. But, I think I understand the questions. And, I'm not afraid to ask them.

Demonizing people who give their time and take their risks to make things better weakens our university and such demonization is not worthy of us as community. And that includes when Dr. Thames or other administrators demonize faculty or students as well as when we demonize each other. Can the PUC make a difference? I really don't know. I can't speak for the other 17. I'll do my best. It is all I can do. I ask only that you judge the effort once it is made. If Dr. Exline (who really doesn't know me) selected me because she thought I would "agree with the prez" or be a rubber stamp on the Thames administration, she picked the wrong student. Rebuilding trust is hard work. It may be impossible. All we can do is try.

Date: May 11, 2004

David, you are very brave and very smart. Godspeed and good luck. Don't fear for your assistanship, don't let anybody bully you into backing down from what you believe. Take from a kind of old lady, there's always another bus comin' down the street you don't gotta ride anyplace you don't wanta go!

Date: May 11, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: LVN
"David, you are very brave and very smart. Godspeed and good luck. Don't fear for your assistanship, don't let anybody bully you into backing down from what you believe. Take from a kind of old lady, there's always another bus comin' down the street you don't gotta ride anyplace you don't wanta go!"

LVN, thanks for the kind words of encouragement. I probably should have also mentioned that I'm a non-traditionally aged grad student (47 years young), have about 25 years of business experience under my belt, the last several of which were as a corporate leadership development / team building consultant to international corporations (prior to the explosion of the internet 'bubble'). But, I know the difference between a business and a university (this is my 6th college or university to attend), and I understand what the 'business' of a university is. Business principles can be applied, but they can't be successful without strong attention to the differences that make up academia.

In social work, our values, among others, include respect for the worth and dignity of the individual, the right of self-determination and a culturally-sensitive approach to practice that honors diversity. If Dr. Thames really wants to move towards peace, a good starting place would be to ask Billy Hewes NOT to speak at the Gulf Park commencement. Talk about divisive choices! I forgot to include that one in the list of things I 'believe.'

Thanks again! I won't get on the wrong bus.

Date: May 11, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: David Johnson
" LVN, thanks for the kind words of encouragement. I probably should have also mentioned that I'm a non-traditionally aged grad student (47 years young), have about 25 years of business experience under my belt, the last several of which were as a corporate leadership development / team building consultant to international corporations (prior to the explosion of the internet 'bubble'). But, I know the difference between a business and a university (this is my 6th college or university to attend), and I understand what the 'business' of a university is. Business principles can be applied, but they can't be successful without strong attention to the differences that make up academia. In social work, our values, among others, include respect for the worth and dignity of the individual, the right of self-determination and a culturally-sensitive approach to practice that honors diversity. If Dr. Thames really wants to move towards peace, a good starting place would be to ask Billy Hewes NOT to speak at the Gulf Park commencement. Talk about divisive choices! I forgot to include that one in the list of things I 'believe.' Thanks again! I won't get on the wrong bus."

I wish you good luck. You are obviously going with your convictions and you have thought through it -- what more can anyone ask? Just try to ask the hard questions and demand some very concrete actions from SFT and the admin -- don't settle for feel good talk.

Best wishes.

Date: May 11, 2004

David--

Well said. Hold on to that Heart.

Date: May 11, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: stephen judd
" I wish you good luck. You are obviously going with your convictions and you have thought through it -- what more can anyone ask? Just try to ask the hard questions and demand some very concrete actions from SFT and the admin -- don't settle for feel good talk. Best wishes. "

Stephen, thanks for the advice. Well-said counsel from a faculty member whose work and integrity I respect greatly. Given the history of how well the administration and the elected bodies have been able to forge relationship, I can't say that I'm much more than cautiously optimistic that resolution will begin tomorrow. But, I must believe that something can be accomplished, else why would I waste the time.

By point of clarificaiton, my comment on Dr. Exline's method of choosing wasn't meant in any pejorative sense towards her. I really believe she picked from the hat (without throwing anything on the floor). I've only met her once, at a funeral, and then only to say 'hello.'

For those who aren't certain, I can confirm that the PUC meeting will be in Union H...as of the last word I had from Polly Odom in the President's office. I hope the meeting will be open to interested faculty/staff/students and to the press.

Date: May 11, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: stephen judd
" I wish you good luck. You are obviously going with your convictions and you have thought through it -- what more can anyone ask? Just try to ask the hard questions and demand some very concrete actions from SFT and the admin -- don't settle for feel good talk. Best wishes. "

Stephen, thanks for the advice. Well-said counsel from a faculty member whose work and integrity I respect greatly. Given the history of how well the administration and the elected bodies have been able to forge relationship, I can't say that I'm much more than cautiously optimistic that resolution will begin tomorrow. But, I must believe that something can be accomplished, else why would I waste the time.

By point of clarificaiton, my comment on Dr. Exline's method of choosing wasn't meant in any pejorative sense towards her. I really believe she picked from the hat (without throwing anything on the floor). I've only met her once, at a funeral, and then only to say 'hello.'

For those who aren't certain, I can confirm that the PUC meeting will be in Union H...as of the last word I had from Polly Odom in the President's office. I hope the meeting will be open to interested faculty/staff/students and to the press.

Date: May 11, 2004

David,

From what you describe, the fact that you were asked to be on the PUC, and your honesty and integrity in writing your 'first facts' to this electronic community, is a very good sign. Keep them honest - as I always say, know what you want, be honorable in your means as well as your ends, and be willing to speak (your) truth to power. As you have been on this site you obviously know how "we" feel about the situation here. Good luck.

Date: May 11, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Doug Chambers
"David, From what you describe, the fact that you were asked to be on the PUC, and your honesty and integrity in writing your 'first facts' to this electronic community, is a very good sign. Keep them honest - as I always say, know what you want, be honorable in your means as well as your ends, and be willing to speak (your) truth to power. As you have been on this site you obviously know how "we" feel about the situation here. Good luck. "

Dr. Chambers,

Thank you for the encouragement. Speaking the truth to power is a hallmark of leadership that I often taught in my consulting capacity. It is risky, as we have all learned, to speak truth to power sometimes. I believe we have to assume that power can hear the truth and react honorably. Even if power doesn't do that, it is incumbent upon us to, as you said so elegantly, 'be honorable in our means and our ends.' I'll do my best!

DJ

Date: May 11, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: David Johnson
" I hope the meeting will be open to interested faculty/staff/students and to the press."

You probably know by now but the HA announced it this morning and indicated it was open to the public.

At least if the meeting is public then everything said will be open. Watch to see if you hear anything solid by way of a commitment to act on something: my guess is that the publicness of the meeting will mean that there reluctance to commit to anything in the way of action. If you can somehow extract something then the public aspect of the meeting will mean that any promise made will be difficult to retract. I think it is important that you create some tests to gauge how sincere the administration is.

For my money I think that all of the requests from faculty agencies concerning actions vis a vis surveillance are extremely reasonable and should be able to be acted on quickly if the admin wants to prove itself. The one that they will undoubtedly balk at is the releasing of names of those surveilled.

The names need to be released in public because that is the only way to verify that they are really acting. I suspect they will try to hide behind the shield of privacy: as in "We don't want to release these people's names as it would be an invasion of their privacy." Don't let them go there -- the admin has already invaded personal privacy. Giving out the names doesn't invade privacy -- it allows fact checkers to confirm that the information seized in those invasions is handed over to the individuals so identified.

Here is one hard set of questions:

1) Did the survelliance of Gary Stringer start before January 2004?

2) Was Gary's office opened and his email hard drive invaded at any time?

3). Have any faculty or staff offices in the last two years been entered without the faculty member's knowledge and the hard drive surveilled?

4). Who is in nominal charge of ordering surveillances: in other words, who signs off?

5). Is paperwork involved in surveillance? Are reports filed with anyone? What happens to such reports?

There is some evidence of either #1 or #2. There is also strong evidence of #3. The community must have a handle on 4 and 5 in order to begin to figure out how to make a workable system.

I believe that this is an issue that is very legitimate for you to raise questions about: too much obfuscation should go a long way to telling you if this council is actually going to be more than a piece of theatre.

Obviously these are only suggestions: I am sure that you have studied the issues, as you indicate, and are prepared to act in the best way you see fit.

Once again, good luck --- I suspect there will be a number of folks there from outside the coucil to see how it is going to go.

Date: May 11, 2004

David,

The questions on Stephen Judd's list are all excellent.

If you get to ask them, you may find the PUC meeting being adjourned earlier than planned!

But all outcomes are informative, in this kind of situation.

Good luck,

Robert Campbell

Date: May 11, 2004

To David Johnson:

Good luck to you, and thanks so much for responding on this message board in a thoughtful and productive way. I look forward to hearing more about the PUC meetings, and feel a tiny bit better knowing that there will be intelligent members such as yourself participating.

Date: May 11, 2004

quote: Once again, good luck --- I suspect there will be a number of folks there from outside the coucil to see how it is going to go. "

Stephen,

Thanks for the input on the email surveillance issue. Obviously, I wouldn't want to reveal too much of my own thinking on a public forum just before the meeting. Let me just say that I stand by my earlier statement regarding privacy rights and that my goal is for this meeting to accomplish concrete commitment to a significant and positive change in the current environment.

I think we will all have a pretty quick idea of how much of this will be theatre. Remember that I am only one of the 18 members (assuming all the slots are filled). I will push the hard questions, but if I dont' get a lot of support around the table, it may be moot. Let us all hope that people are willing to stand up...I believe they will.

I appreciate your comments and those of the others. I think it was Robert Carpenter in a post who said something on the order that any outcome is informative. He's right about that.

I'm going to polish my notes for the meeting now and try to get some rest so I can be ready for the morning tomorrow. Thanks again to all of you who have been so encouraging!

DJ

Date: May 11, 2004

People may not want to come out and say it but I suspect there was a big sigh of relief when you said you were 47 and outlined your experience. Sorry for the "ageism" but I had formed a mental image of young, idealistic, about to be chewed up and spit out, etc.

quote:

Originally posted by: David Johnson
" Stephen, Thanks for the input on the email surveillance issue. Obviously, I wouldn't want to reveal too much of my own thinking on a public forum just before the meeting.

Date: May 11, 2004

Tough leather hide

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quote:
Originally posted by: David Johnson
""

Good luck, David. Please let us know how the meeting went afterwards, if you have a moment.

Date: May 11, 2004

RE: CBED in the PUC game!

Date: May 11, 2004

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Date: May 11, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: David Johnson
" Of course I will be happy to communicate back with this group and anyone else who cares to hear my opinion of the meeting. After all, this is supposed to be a 'new communication venue' between the administration and the rest of us. Thanks for the encouragement. And, no, I'm not trading birth years with LVN. I don't have a clue as to your identity, but I came in at the tail end of Ike's first term. Sounds like you might be an early Ike or even a Truman baby...I'm getting there fast enough on my own...but thanks for the offer. DJ"

Please do check back in with us. It sounds like the room is too small for many people, and I, like many others, have exams to study for. We would love to hear what happens tomorrow and I wish you the best of luck! BTW, do not let SFT intimidate you. Speak your mind (I especially like your idea about mentioning Hewes speaking at graduation, as he is very offensive to many) Thanks again.

Date: May 11, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: David Johnson
. And, no, I'm not trading birth years with LVN. I don't have a clue as to your identity, but I came in at the tail end of Ike's first term.

I'm "out" - I used to be "former-staffer" but if you can find an old post from Dr. Stringer's daughter, my info is in there. She challenged people to be as brave as her father and reveal who they are. But a lot of people on this board, for obvious reasons, can't do that. Some very, very brave faculty (Wallace, Weinauer, et. al.) have done it. Since I no longer work at the university, I had nothing to lose, except that I would love to come back.

Date: May 11, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by:
" Good luck, David. Please let us know how the meeting went afterwards, if you have a moment. "

Of course I will be happy to communicate back with this group and anyone else who cares to hear my opinion of the meeting. After all, this is supposed to be a 'new communication venue' between the administration and the rest of us. Thanks for the encouragement.

And, no, I'm not trading birth years with LVN. I don't have a clue as to your identity, but I came in at the tail end of Ike's first term. Sounds like you might be an early Ike or even a Truman baby...I'm getting there fast enough on my own...but thanks for the offer.

DJ

Date: May 11, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by:
" Good luck, David. Please let us know how the meeting went afterwards, if you have a moment. "

Of course I will be happy to communicate back with this group and anyone else who cares to hear my opinion of the meeting. After all, this is supposed to be a 'new communication venue' between the administration and the rest of us. Thanks for the encouragement.

And, no, I'm not trading birth years with LVN. I don't have a clue as to your identity, but I came in at the tail end of Ike's first term. Sounds like you might be an early Ike or even a Truman baby...I'm getting there fast enough on my own...but thanks for the offer.

DJ

Date: May 11, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by:
" Good luck, David. Please let us know how the meeting went afterwards, if you have a moment. "

Of course I will be happy to communicate back with this group and anyone else who cares to hear my opinion of the meeting. After all, this is supposed to be a 'new communication venue' between the administration and the rest of us. Thanks for the encouragement.

And, no, I'm not trading birth years with LVN. I don't have a clue as to your identity, but I came in at the tail end of Ike's first term. Sounds like you might be an early Ike or even a Truman baby...I'm getting there fast enough on my own...but thanks for the offer.

DJ

Date: May 11, 2004

RE: CBED in the PUC game!

Date: May 11, 2004

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Date: May 11, 2004

RE: RE: CBED in the PUC game!

Date: May 12, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: David Johnson
" Stephen, Thanks for the input on the email surveillance issue. Obviously, I wouldn't want to reveal too much of my own thinking on a public forum just before the meeting. Let me just say that I stand by my earlier statement regarding privacy rights and that my goal is for this meeting to accomplish concrete commitment to a significant and positive change in the current environment. . . . . Thanks again to all of you who have been so encouraging! DJ"

David:

Just got in this morning and checked to see your note from last night. I understand and respect your need for personal discretion.

I'll be at the meeting early before I must give an exam so I'll look forward to seeing how it goes.

Once again- best wishes.

Date: May 12, 2004

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Originally posted by: stephen judd
" David: Just got in this morning and checked to see your note from last night. I understand and respect your need for personal discretion. I'll be at the meeting early before I must give an exam so I'll look forward to seeing how it goes. Once again- best wishes. "

Stephen,

Thanks. I'll look forward to seeing you there. Let's all hope for the best.

DJ