I want to emphasize a point that Truth4USM made on the long thread about Shelby Thames' purported vision for USM.
Administrators crave grant-funded research with indirect cost components to a disproportionate degree. They overvalue it in relation to the net positive revenue that it provides to the university. (And there is no question that it brings in revenue.)
Why?
1) They get to brag about it on their resumes, and enhance their attractiveness to a more prestigious institution, or one that will give them more power.
2) They get to add discretionary funds to their budgets. In the typical college budget, 90 or even 95% of the total is tied up in salaries and benefits. Any dollars that the dean can get from indirect cost returns on grants will be dollars that the dean can spend as he or she chooses. Hence research grants and contracts will be a disproportionately attractive source of revenue, from the dean's point of view. And so on up and down the academic adminstrative ladder.
As Truth4USM also noted, indirect cost percentages vary from one granting agency to another. The 43.8% figure on USM's Web site applies to some Federal grants--by no means all. And contracts with industry usually don't have indirect cost provisions at all.
A few years ago, as the Clemson administration mounted a full-court press for more grant-funded research, colleagues who were in a position to get contracts with industry told me that administrators gave them contradictory advice: some told them to go for the contracts, others said, in essence, why bother when there's no indirect cost return.
If grants and contracts were seen as covering the costs of conducting research too expensive to be done with the university's own resources, administrators would be less dazzled by them. They would also be inclined to factor in the costs of doing the grant-funded research, instead of treating grant income as pure gravy.
If, on the other hand, departments or colleges were allowed to keep some of the added tuition revenue that they generated, administrators would no longer have such a ho-hum attitude toward tuition. (And what if differential tuition could be charged by the program, or even by the course, as is now easily implementable with computerized registration and billing?)
Nearly all research-university administrators are subject to the illusions I've described. A few, like Shelby Thames, are so dazzled that they can't see anything else.
quote: Originally posted by: Robert Campbell " They get to brag about it on their resumes, and enhance their attractiveness to a more prestigious institution, or one that will give them more power
Heck, I'll help them brag about it on their resumes if that means they'll just go!
quote: Originally posted by: Robert Campbell "As Truth4USM also noted, indirect cost percentages vary from one granting agency to another. The 43.8% figure on USM's Web site applies to some Federal grants--by no means all. And contracts with industry usually don't have indirect cost provisions at all."
When a grant or contract doesn't allow indirect costs, does the university skim some set percentage off the top for F&A? (I'm kinda thinking about consulting work.)
quote: Originally posted by: Invictus " When a grant or contract doesn't allow indirect costs, does the university skim some set percentage off the top for F&A? (I'm kinda thinking about consulting work.)"
quote: Originally posted by: Invictus " When a grant or contract doesn't allow indirect costs, does the university skim some set percentage off the top for F&A? (I'm kinda thinking about consulting work.)"
I agree with CoST faculty on this one...don't think it's allowed in the grant budget.
quote: Originally posted by: truth4usm/AH "I agree with CoST faculty on this one...don't think it's allowed in the grant budget."
Let me clarify this...if the RFP (request for proposal) says that you can't get F&A (indirects), then you can't get them (i.e. you can't submit them in your budget). As my old boss used to remind me, the golden rule of the grant world is: "S/He who has the gold makes the rules." Consulting is an area I'm not familiar with, but it seems there that all the money goes directly to the faculty member, correct? I know that at some schools (Vandy is one), there are rules about how much of your "time" can be taken up with consulting work. But, the university doesn't get any "kickbacks" like indirects on this work. They just get to say that Dr. XYZ law professor was an expert witness for some big trial, or something like that.
Someone else with more knowledge about this correct me if I'm wrong.
(P.S. Vandy is not getting rich off of indirects; Vandy is getting rich off of private donors. Always has, always will. SFT, take note!).
quote: Originally posted by: truth4usm/AH " Let me clarify this...if the (P.S. Vandy is not getting rich off of indirects; Vandy is getting rich off of private donors. Always has, always will. SFT, take note!). "
People who pay that much for an education tend to value it. (Only took me ten years to pay back less than one year's grad tuition.)
Seriously you can't shut down the things that the community wants from its university, such as the arts, continuing ed courses, etc., devalue their child's degree, and then expect to be remembered in their will. For instance, my family made a donation to the College of Arts, in my sister's memory, to purchase a glass piece from the Arthur Roger Gallery. Do you think we will be making another one?
quote: Originally posted by: LVN "For instance, my family made a donation to the College of Arts, in my sister's memory, to purchase a glass piece from the Arthur Roger Gallery. Do you think we will be making another one?"
Didn't mean for it to sound as tho we gave megabucks and bought the whole thing, not the case at all.
The administration doesn't get a dime off any faculty member's consulting.
Most universities do set on a limit on the amount of time spent on consulting--at Clemson it's one day a week.
Business schools must drive administrators like SFT completely wild. Business professors draw high salaries (by academic standards), do very little grant-funded research with indirect cost components, and do lots of consulting.