Pood has tenure now & more on Klumb/Robinson

Date: May 24, 2004

Pood has tenure now & more on Klumb/Robinson

Date: May 24, 2004

Can Assistant Professors get tenure at USM? Or does the Board act on tenure separately from promotion to Associate?

I'm just wondering, because on the list of those newly tenured, the article includes 3 or 4 Assistant Professors.

Clemson got rid of tenure without promotion to Associate over a decade ago.

Robert Campbell

Date: May 24, 2004

RE: tenure and promotion--people CAN come up for promotion the year before they get tenure, though it's becoming harder and harder to get it. But they are treated as separate actions and are sometimes "spread" over two years. In many cases, then, those who are listed in the article as Associates were promoted last year. In many cases, those who are listed as Assistant have also been granted promotion to Associate. Since they are separable actions, though I would assume that, yes, you can be tenured without being promoted. I hope this is an accurate response to Robert Campbell's question.

I find it sad and ironic that these people's great accomplishments are listed side-by-side with an article suggesting that Klumb and his "playbook" compatriots are out for tenure.

Date: May 24, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
"Can Assistant Professors get tenure at USM? Or does the Board act on tenure separately from promotion to Associate? I'm just wondering, because on the list of those newly tenured, the article includes 3 or 4 Assistant Professors. Clemson got rid of tenure without promotion to Associate over a decade ago. Robert Campbell"

I think the answer to your question is "yes." Tenure and promotion must be separate issues at USM. Someone else more qualified than me could offer more details, though.

Date: May 24, 2004

Tenure and promotion are indeed separate. Typically an individual is promoted, and the following year tenured. Promotions are based on productivity, tenure is based on collegiality and possibly departmental needs.

People can be promoted but not tenured the following year. People can and have been tenured but not promoted. This has happened sevaral times in recent years in CoAL/Liberal Arts

Date: May 24, 2004

Tenure won't give Pood any more courage or backbone than he's got now. Trust him still and always to do what he's told.

quote:
Originally posted by: truth4usm/AH
"http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040524/localnews/492328.html Now that Pood has tenure, will he act any differently? Also, check out this quote from Klumb re: Robin Robinson bringing up the issue of post-tenure review: But College Board President Roy Klumb praised Robinson's request. "I will take your challenge because you are reading right out of my playbook," Klumb said, "and I didn't even send it to you." Yep, Robinson's on the fast-track to Roy Klumb's pocket. What a shame..."

Date: May 24, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Amy Young
"Tenure and promotion are indeed separate. Typically an individual is promoted, and the following year tenured. Promotions are based on productivity, tenure is based on collegiality and possibly departmental needs. People can be promoted but not tenured the following year. People can and have been tenured but not promoted. This has happened sevaral times in recent years in CoAL/Liberal Arts "

This is not how it works in all colleges at USM, and certainly not at all universities. In Psychology, it is rare for tenure and promotion to be separated. One goes up at the same time for both in psych (at least in the last 10 years). However, they are separate applications, and voted on separately. We view tenure as the higher hurdle, and I hope that we would not tenure someone who doesn't have a good enough academic track record to be promoted to associate. At medical schools (I was faculty in a psychiatry department before I came here), and at the Ivys, promotion to associate prof comes with time and reasonable productivity, but tenure requires an outstanding contribution to the field (not collegiality or department needs).

I can see someone going up "early" for associate (i.e., bringing years credit from other professorial appointments), and being tenured after demonstrating outstanding achievements here. However, I hope that people promoted to associate who are on the tenure track are "up or out" when their tenure clock runs out.

Some of us have discussed the notion of tenuring an unpromotable assistant professor, and the implications of this. This is an oddity with respect to how many universities handle tenure, and I am curious if people know of other CR-I universities that do this routinely?