CBED: House of Sand and Fog

Date: May 25, 2004

CBED: House of Sand and Fog

Date: May 25, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: broker
"Had lunch yesterday with a CBED prof/client. He didn't mention anything about the executive MBA program from the other thread. He did describe the place as a wasteland. Said faculty will soon be departing in droves (not good for my business)."

Actually, young faculty with publication records have, pretty much bailed or are looking to bail. There are a lot of old timers just toughing it out a few years to retirement. But then, with someone like Doty at the helm, what do you expect?.

Date: May 25, 2004

I counted 9 departures in the CBED on Babbs' list. Seems awfully high to me...how many total faculty in CBED?

Date: May 25, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: truth4usm/AH
"I counted 9 departures in the CBED on Babbs' list. Seems awfully high to me...how many total faculty in CBED?"

About 55-60, and that's with all the new units that were added to the old CBA. About 7 years ago, though, the old CBA had about 75 faculty, even without these new units. If you look at the old CBA part of the CBED, I would guess you are talking about 45-50 faculty now.

Date: May 25, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: tomcat
"About 55-60, and that's with all the new units that were added to the old CBA. About 7 years ago, though, the old CBA had about 75 faculty, even without these new units. If you look at the old CBA part of the CBED, I would guess you are talking about 45-50 faculty now. "

So, about 15-16% of the newly-configured CBED is leaving, correct? Wonder what the turnover/retirement rates have been in years past?

Date: May 25, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: truth4usm/AH
"So, about 15-16% of the newly-configured CBED is leaving, correct? Wonder what the turnover/retirement rates have been in years past?"

Turnover has never been this bad. I'm just sorry I'm so close to retirement that I can't leave, too.

Date: May 25, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Not really interested anymore
"Actually, young faculty with publication records have, pretty much bailed or are looking to bail."

Have others bailed besides those on Babbs' list? I only saw a couple of assistant profs from CBED. I have no doubt that many others are looking to bail.

Date: May 25, 2004

Normal faculty attrition at USM runs about 10% a year.

Date: May 25, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Racer X
"Have others bailed besides those on Babbs' list? I only saw a couple of assistant profs from CBED. I have no doubt that many others are looking to bail."

Racer X:

Here's a partial list of profs that left the CBED in just past few years (name, dept., where now). They are mostly assistants, and retirements aren't included.

Rohan Christie-David, Finance, Louisiana Tech

Ken Cyree, Finance, Ole Miss

Mark Dickie, Economics, Central Florida

Dan Fisher, Marketing, Univ. of Tulsa

Dan Goebel, Marketing, Illinois State

Bill Goffe, Economics, SUNY

David Hardesty, Marketing, Univ. of Miami (FL)

Dale Lunsford, MIS, Alabama

Mike Melton, Finance, Roger Williams University

Doowoo Nam, Finance, Korean University System

Chuck Ryan, Management, Georgia College & State Univ.

Tracy Suter, Marketing, Oklahoma State

Len Trevino, International Business, Washington State

As you can see, the list is fairly long and their destination schools aren't too shabby. These were just preceded by losses to Texas Tech (Winters) and Wake Forest (Robin).

Date: May 25, 2004

kick

Date: May 26, 2004

Ask anyone in the cbed about the mid-year raises this last january...the higher-ups there have given 8-10 different stories to various faculty, the media, etc. about who/how the recipients were chosen. The cbed 10% got lots of additional goodies (in add to the raise). you should check it out if you are from coal or cost or coh.

Date: May 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: eaglegone
"Ask anyone in the cbed about the mid-year raises this last january...the higher-ups there have given 8-10 different stories to various faculty, the media, etc. about who/how the recipients were chosen. The cbed 10% got lots of additional goodies (in add to the raise). you should check it out if you are from coal or cost or coh."

More details, please!

Date: May 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: truth4usm/AH
"More details, please!"

there was much disagreement among the faculty about the top 10% being the top 10% --- these people all got new hardware(computers, etc.) about a week later, among other things...

Date: May 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: eaglegone
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Were they aware of who was getting the raises/goodies before they happened? It was my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that faculty had no input into the decisions (and that Provost Hudson changed what the deans gave him anyway). Was there a different process in CBED?

Date: May 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: truth4usm/AH
"Were they aware of who was getting the raises/goodies before they happened? It was my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that faculty had no input into the decisions (and that Provost Hudson changed what the deans gave him anyway). Was there a different process in CBED?"

I must say no more.....

Date: May 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: eaglegone
""

If Doty and his cronies don't like someone or if a member of the faculty isn't among the favored few, well too bad. Try getting money or resources for research. It isn't going to happen. Doty talks about research, but it's just a lot of hot air.

Date: May 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: truth4usm/AH
"Were they aware of who was getting the raises/goodies before they happened? It was my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that faculty had no input into the decisions (and that Provost Hudson changed what the deans gave him anyway). Was there a different process in CBED?"

AH/

Just saw these new posts. I can say that most, if not all of the top 10% in CBED, got new computers (arriving daily) at the same time as the mid-year raises. I don't know what "eaglegone" is referencing by the other "goodies." My only guess, in talking with people in CBED, is many of them travel alot. I have heard that Hudson's hand was all over the CBED list, but don't know TH so I can't say for sure. I have heard about 3 or 4 different stories from various people about the process though. I know someone questioned about the computers and got "politely" told to drop the matter.

Date: May 26, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: elliott
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I know someone questioned about the computers and got "politely" told to drop the matter."

Questions are frowned on at CBED.

Date: May 26, 2004

right sir. Ask about the prof who appealed an evaluation recently and apparently won an internal review .

Date: May 26, 2004

What's goin' on in the CBED?

Date: May 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: eaglegone
"right sir. Ask about the prof who appealed an evaluation recently and apparently won an internal review ."

Haven't heard anything about it over at CBED. In any case, an appeal evaluation is a matter of right, not a matter of winning.

Date: May 26, 2004

on the mid year raises....the admin (TH most likely) crossed off names, not the dean. Business faculty are leaving because they are marketable. Faculty are embarrassed to be at a university in such a pool of *%*$

Date: May 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: no name
"on the mid year raises....the admin (TH most likely) crossed off names, not the dean. Business faculty are leaving because they are marketable. Faculty are embarrassed to be at a university in such a pool of *%*$"

None of the so-called versions of the list made much sense. Either the dean had nothing to do with it --- which is dreadful --- or his fingerprints are all over one version or another --- which is laughable. The dean came into the college and gathered resumes in his first few weeks. To this day, I don't believe he has examined a single one of them longer than a minute or two. And that includes those of his chairs. He doesn't know his faculty, and has yet to teach an undergrad course to get to know what USM's students are like. The odd thing is that he told newspapers etc. that what attracted him to USM was the opportunity to work with economic development. What's that about?

Date: May 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: no name
"on the mid year raises....the admin (TH most likely) crossed off names, not the dean. Business faculty are leaving because they are marketable. Faculty are embarrassed to be at a university in such a pool of *%*$"

Why, in goodness name, would marketable people want to stay when they can go to better schools for more money?

The only reasons are these:

They believe things are going to get better...

They love the community...

They enjoy a collegial atmosphere, their research, and their students...

They have spouses (or children or parents) tied to local careers...

These reasons are slipping away. If you think this year was bad, next year is going to be worse. The job cycle was almost over when things blew up in March. How, in good faith, can you encourage your colleagues not to go?

World class? My a**!

Date: May 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: in the know
"None of the so-called versions of the list made much sense. Either the dean had nothing to do with it --- which is dreadful --- or his fingerprints are all over one version or another --- which is laughable. The dean came into the college and gathered resumes in his first few weeks. To this day, I don't believe he has examined a single one of them longer than a minute or two. And that includes those of his chairs. He doesn't know his faculty, and has yet to teach an undergrad course to get to know what USM's students are like. The odd thing is that he told newspapers etc. that what attracted him to USM was the opportunity to work with economic development. What's that about?"

"in the know," you espouse views I have heard before around the CBED. I hadn't thought about the teaching an undergrad course part, and I see your point. Things are a mess there, and no one has even addressed the lower level executive situation.

Date: May 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: eaglegone
"right sir. Ask about the prof who appealed an evaluation recently and apparently won an internal review ."

My CBED contact mentioned something to me about an evaluation appeal. He also said something about an irregularity surrounding a sabbatical approval.

Date: May 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: broker
"My CBED contact mentioned something to me about an evaluation appeal. He also said something about an irregularity surrounding a sabbatical approval. "

I would like to know more about the sabbatical thing myself. Anyone else know about this item?

Date: May 26, 2004

Hey CBEDers, is it true that the PUC is the child of your new Dean? It's killing us.

Date: May 27, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: anti-puker
"Hey CBEDers, is it true that the PUC is the child of your new Dean? It's killing us."

you got it...

Date: May 27, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: anti-puker
"Hey CBEDers, is it true that the PUC is the child of your new Dean? It's killing us."

Depends on when you ask the question. When the idea was put out there the answer was yes. Now, he doesn't seem to be so sure.